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[W:1,199]God is Real

ataraxia said:
Yeah I don't know. I have a teenage son and I can't even get HIM to listen to me these days, or at least he would never admit it. So forget trying to tell some random "someone" off the street.
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But when he reaches 25, he'll realize you're the smartest man in the world and he'll wonder how you got so smart in such a short time...:2razz:
 
Elvira said:
But when he reaches 25, he'll realize you're the smarted man in the world and he'll wonder how you got so smart in such a short time...:2razz:
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LOL, thanks, I hope so! That's very reassuring.
 
bomberfox said:
No. Im sorry but you are just wrong. People can make objective statements. Is e=mc^2 just an opinion or can it be verified?
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That statement originated in the subjectivity of a man, Einstein I believe. You are wrong. All statements are expressions of a mind.
 
Hari Seldon said:
On the other hand we did elect a major conman, scumbag as president. Plus we all know God and Jesus favor the USA. So the end could be near. Has hell frozen over yet or have there been any pigs flying sightings?
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We?! Well, color me surprised. Didn't take you to be a Trumper.:shock:
 
Angel said:
That statement originated in the subjectivity of a man, Einstein I believe. You are wrong. All statements are expressions of a mind.
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All statement are expressions but what is important is what is backing it. That is not the same thing as solipsism.
 
bomberfox said:
All statement are expressions but what is important is what is backing it. That is not the same thing as solipsism.
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What is "backing" statements id not thoughts? Why do you introduce solipsism in this post? We weren't talking about solipsism. Are you preparing a straw man argument?
 
Angel said:
What is "backing" statements id not thoughts? Why do you introduce solipsism in this post? We weren't talking about solipsism. Are you preparing a straw man argument?
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Verifiable evidence and external reality
 
Tips For the Perplexed​

Terms

Real = existing
Ideal = of the mind
Experience = of the senses

1. The world is Real. (Naive Realism)
2. The world as experienced is Real. (Empiricism)
3. The world as experienced is Ideal. (Idealism)
4. The world is the Ideal in the Real.

5. Beauty is Ideal.
6. Beauty is experienced in the Real.
7. Beauty is the Ideal in the Real.

8. God is Ideal.
9. God is experienced in the Real.
0. God is the Ideal in the Real.

The world, Beauty, and God all enjoy the same ontological status.
 
JustHanging said:
Well that's wrong. The bible is quite clear about when Jesus will return, within the lifetime of some of the apostles. Or roughly 2000 years ago.

Matthew 16: 27-28
“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“
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<facepalm>

Once again your theology is faulty.

Response:

Mark 9:1 notes, "Until they have seen the kingdom of God come with power;"

First, what is the Kingdom of God? Romans 14:17 answers that: "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Furthermore, in Luke chapter 11:14, Jesus drove out a demon that had left a man mute. The mute was healed. Then, in Luke 11:20, Jesus said, “But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, THEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD HAS COME TO YOU.”

The Kingdom of God is also Jesus being seen in a Kingdom appearance (more on that later).

When did it come with power? In Acts 1:8: “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

So, the power would come by virtue of the Holy Spirit. When did that happen?

It (the power) happened in Acts chapter two, verses 1-4: "When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them."

After that, Act 5:12 notes the miracles and power of the disciples: "And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people."

But when did some of the disciples see Jesus coming in his kingdom?

"It is that Jesus’ Transfiguration occurs next in the synoptists’ accounts (Mt 17.1-8; Mk 9.2-8; Lk 9.28-36a). Jesus took Peter, James, and John “up a high mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became dazzling white. Suddenly there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him” (Mt 17.1-3). From a literary perspective, it seems pretty obvious that all three synoptists intended for their readers to understand that Jesus referred to his upcoming Transfiguration when he said some disciples would see him coming in his kingdom before they die."
Did Jesus’ Disciples See “the Son of Man Coming in his Kingdom”? | Kermit Zarley

You're busted.
 
Angel said:
Because this is the Beliefs and Skepticism section of a forum dedicated to otiose questions like yours.
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Otiose would be more fitting of the thread title and OP.
 
NWO_Spook said:
Not at all, 'Boss', and I still stand by my comment.
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Basically hes trying to claim everything is subjective except for his personal morals which claims is objective
 
Angel said:
Verification is subjective. Evidence is subjective. External reality is subjective.
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No subjective is dependent on a subject. Objective is independent.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions -subjective

(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. -Objective

The distinction is not hard for those who are not pseudo-philosophers.
 
Angel said:
Tips For the Perplexed​

Terms

Real = existing
Ideal = of the mind
Experience = of the senses

1. The world is Real. (Naive Realism)
2. The world as experienced is Real. (Empiricism)
3. The world as experienced is Ideal. (Idealism)
4. The world is the Ideal in the Real.

5. Beauty is Ideal.
6. Beauty is experienced in the Real.
7. Beauty is the Ideal in the Real.

8. God is Ideal.
9. God is experienced in the Real.
0. God is the Ideal in the Real.

The world, Beauty, and God all enjoy the same ontological status.
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The world is not the ideal in the real, the world and reality is not based in the ideal.
God is not experienced for a vast plenty of people. Your arguments do not logically follow.
 
bomberfox said:
No subjective is dependent on a subject. Objective is independent.
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions -subjective

(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. -Objective

The distinction is not hard for those who are not pseudo-philosophers.
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Everything is dependent upon a subject.
 
bomberfox said:
The world is not the ideal in the real, the world and reality is not based in the ideal.
God is not experienced for a vast plenty of people. Your arguments do not logically follow.
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Your post is full of assertions in search of an argument.
 
Angel said:
Your post is full of assertions in search of an argument.
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Your posts begin with the conclusion and work backwards. You have no real arguments
 
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