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[W:1,199]God is Real

Individual said:
The word/term "God" without religion serves absolutely no useful purpose at all in our attempt to answer questions of existence.

Imagine a thinking being who has lived alone for an infinite amount of time.
Most likely such a being would have become stark raving mad eons ago, and as a result spontaneously exploded producing the 'big bang'.
Maybe the thread title should have been "God was Real"? That would even fit more so with religious beliefs that God created us.
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Ya think, therefore ya am? Some people gaze into the universe and realize how small and ignorant humans are. Some gaze into the skies and foolishly imagine they brilliantly understand all things and can do all things through sheer willpower.
 
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marke said:
Ya think, therefore ya am? Some people gaze into the universe and realize how small and ignorant humans are. Some gaze into the skies and foolishly imagine they brilliantly understand all things and can do all things through sheer willpower.
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Which of the two groups do you belong to ? A) The group you claim is comprised of small. ignorant humans, or B). the other group ?
 
marke said:
Ya think, therefore ya am? Some people gaze into the universe and realize how small and ignorant humans are. Some gaze into the skies and foolishly imagine they brilliantly understand all things and can do all things through sheer willpower.
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What I don't understand is why they feel a need for others to believe in the existence of a God being.
 
Logician Man said:
Which of the two groups do you belong to ? A) The group you claim is comprised of small. ignorant humans, or B). the other group ?
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I am of the group that recognizes that God is the source of wisdom and understanding and the only hope of humans obtaining those things is to get them from God.
 
Individual said:
What I don't understand is why they feel a need for others to believe in the existence of a God being.
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When you share your opinions with others is it because you sense they need your opinions? Can we share our opinions with others without thinking they need what we have to offer?
 
marke said:
I am of the group that recognizes that God is the source of wisdom and understanding and the only hope of humans obtaining those things is to get them from God.
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Is that Group A, or Group B, as you personally describe the only 2 groups in your post above? Note: Question posed only has 2 answers. Choose one or the other.
 
marke said:
When you share your opinions with others is it because you sense they need your opinions? Can we share our opinions with others without thinking they need what we have to offer?
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You are now on record as stating you are posting 'opinions'....not 'statements of fact. " That explains a lot.
 
bomberfox said:
The op is essentially arguing a subjective argument for the existence of a god. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder is inherently a subjective statement.
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Every statement of man is subjective, sage.
 
NWO_Spook said:
And yet another thread claiming god is real without actually demonstrating thus.
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You apparently missed post #1, boss:

Angel said:
GOD IS REAL

A Note on the Thread
Contrary to 2500 years of philosophy and natural philosophy and 400 years of modern science, as well as the last 15 years of militant atheism, the existence of God is not something to be known; it is not a matter of knowledge, the existence of God. No, the existence of God (to be distinguished conceptually from the nature of God, which is the province of religion and properly so) -- the existence of God is a matter of judgment, of discernment. The existence of God is a value, a value discovered in and through the things of the world. God, the existence of God, is the value discovered in the world by unclouded percipience.

The Argument
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees Beauty in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss seeing the Beauty in the thing that the first beholder sees,
but sees Beauty in another thing.

Both see the Beauty of things, but in and through different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss the Beauty of the things seen as Beautiful by the first and second beholders,
and yet see Beauty in a third thing.

All three see the Beauty of things in different things.
The Beauty they see is as Real as the things they see Beauty in.

A fourth beholder sees Beauty in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

Beauty is as Real as the world in which Beauty is seen.

Do you have an eye for Beauty?


God is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees God in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss God in that thing
and see God in another thing.

Both see God in things but in different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss God in the two things
and see God in a third thing.

All three see God in different things.
God is as Real as the things they see God in.

A fourth beholder sees God in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

God is as Real as the world in which God is seen.

Do you have an eye for God?

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marke said:
When you share your opinions with others is it because you sense they need your opinions? Can we share our opinions with others without thinking they need what we have to offer?
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Just a statement that you believe in a God would suffice; it is the incessant attempt to provide proof for such a being without a shred of evidence that most people appear to find annoying.

And eliminating religion from such belief doesn't help to make it more believable, it only makes the word/term "God" totally unnecessary.
 
Logician Man said:
You are now on record as stating you are posting 'opinions'....not 'statements of fact. " That explains a lot.
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I can see that there are those who cannot seem to discern the difference between their own erroneous opinions and factual truth.
 
marke said:
I can see that there are those who cannot seem to discern the difference between their own erroneous opinions and factual truth.
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Mirrors can, and often do, come in handy.
 
Individual said:
Just a statement that you believe in a God would suffice; it is the incessant attempt to provide proof for such a being without a shred of evidence that most people appear to find annoying.

And eliminating religion from such belief doesn't help to make it more believable, it only makes the word/term "God" totally unnecessary.
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Science cannot prove things like God, aliens, spirits, invisible natural selective forces and the like. Science can demonstrate the possibility that those things exist, but cannot prove them by force of empirical evidences.
 
marke said:
Science cannot prove things like God, aliens, spirits, invisible natural selective forces and the like. Science can demonstrate the possibility that those things exist, but cannot prove them by force of empirical evidences.
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Then WHY do we see threads titled "Proof of God" and "God is Real".
 
Angel said:
Every statement of man is subjective, sage.
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No. Im sorry but you are just wrong. People can make objective statements. Is e=mc^2 just an opinion or can it be verified?
 
NWO_Spook said:
And yet another thread claiming god is real without actually demonstrating thus.
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It's just a misleading title. His entire argument can be summed up as: If you believe in God, then God is real to you.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Same goes for you. Your child can get brain cancer and everything you have can be taken. The difference is you have to lie to Internet strangers that your lifestyle cures all sin, disease and old age, which you know is a lie. You sure do lie a lot for someone pretending to be a Christian.

The worst lie you tell yourself is that all 7 billion people want to live just like you and would be better off doing so, despite them telling you they wouldn't be and aren't interested.



No, but it doesn't stop you from lying by telling him he secretly wants to love Jesus and live like you despite him telling you he prefers Buddha. You just can't accept others don't want to live like you.



If you're against pedophilia you're certainly not a Christian. The Bible is chock full of god sanctioned rape, murder and forced sex slaving of children.
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Remember Job...

There are still people out there who hunger for the truth or it would be all over and done with...moving on...

"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14
 
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Elvira said:
Remember Job...
There are still people out there who hunger for the truth or it would be all over and done with...moving on...
"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14
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Ah yes, we all secretly want to live your exact way of life. Keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better. You're part of a group considered nutty even by most Christians, so the arrogance is pretty astounding.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Ah yes, we all secretly want to live your exact way of life. Keep telling yourself that to make yourself feel better. You're part of a group considered nutty even by most Christians, so the arrogance is pretty astounding.
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Well, let me give you numbers to show how our preaching work is moving ahead...in 1914, there were 5,155 proclaiming the good news of God's kingdom in 43 lands...today there are some 8.5 million proclaiming the good news of God's kingdom in 240 lands...
 
Elvira said:
Well, let me give you numbers to show how our preaching work is moving ahead...in 1914, there were 5,155 proclaiming the good news of God's kingdom in 43 lands...today there are some 8.5 million proclaiming the good news of God's kingdom in 240 lands...
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And how incredibly arrogant it is to think a nutty north American sect representing not even 0.01% of the earth's population found the ONE and ONLY way to live and everyone else is just jealous and lying to themselves.
 
Elvira said:
When you tell someone your way is the best way to live and they don't believe you, how do you prove that to them?
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Yeah I don't know. I have a teenage son and I can't even get HIM to listen to me these days, or at least he would never admit it. So forget trying to tell some random "someone" off the street.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
And how incredibly arrogant it is to think a nutty north American sect representing not even 0.01% of the earth's population found the ONE and ONLY way to live and everyone else is just jealous and lying to themselves.
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lol...
 
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