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[W:1,199]God is Real

Elvira said:
Whadayawannaknow?:2razz:
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Why are we here? The meaning of life? Will the Mets sign some good relievers? You know, what everyone wants to know. I doubt very much you can help me unless of course you know someone in the Mets front office.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Why are we here? The meaning of life? Will the Mets sign some good relievers? You know, what everyone wants to know. I doubt very much you can help me unless of course you know someone in the Mets front office.
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You'll have to check with the Mets God for that...:shrug:
 
Elvira said:
Nice dodge of addressing everything/anything I said...
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You won't address a single word I've said despite me constantly addressing the fact that billions of people on the planet reject your way of life because it doesn't fit them. Stop trying to pretend we should all live exactly like you like mindless automotons.

You are so god damn dishonest you can't even admit that there are people that don't want what you're selling.

Elvira said:
So, how's doin' it your way workin' for ya compared to Jehovah's promises of everlasting life in peace and happiness?
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My atheist lifestyle is going absolutely amazing and I'm very happy. I have a wonderful wife of 13 years marriage, a great high paying job, wonderful house, fulfillment, great dog, and I can sleep in on Sundays.

I hated being a Christian but your brain can't and won't accept some people are more miserable pretending to be god slaves than they are living their own lives.
 
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blarg said:
so god may not be real

beauty dosent exist independently of your mind that's wired to find something things attractive

a being that created the universe and and that has a will of its own exits or it dosent whether you believe in it or not
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"Real" doesn't exist independently of your mind, either. The Real is Ideal, just as Beauty is the Ideal in the Real.
If we must talk physicalist nonsense, then the hard-wiring is irrelevant also because Reality is hardwired as well.
In plain English, God, like Beauty, is discerned in the world by the discerning mind.
 
Angel said:
"Real" doesn't exist independently of your mind, either. The Real is Ideal, just as Beauty is the Ideal in the Real.
If we must talk physicalist nonsense, then the hard-wiring is irrelevant also because Reality is hardwired as well.
In plain English, God, like Beauty, is discerned in the world by the discerning mind.
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Am I on your ignore list? If so, you do not want to have a serious discussion.
 
Jetboogieman said:
At the very least if he does exist, pretty piss poor god in my opinion when you look at the state of the world.
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Let's pretend for the moment that you haven't imported some religious version of God into the thread. What do you see when you look at "the state of the world"?
 
AProudLefty said:
Am I on your ignore list? If so, you do not want to have a serious discussion.
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That's just Angel. His threads are more about preaching his views and ways of life and he actively rejects any meaningful conversations. He will not honestly respond to anything you say, only repeat his own opinion as if it's fact. It's obvious that it's far more important that he convinces himself god is real than any of us.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's just Angel. His threads are more about preaching his views and ways of life and he actively rejects any meaningful conversations. He will not honestly respond to anything you say, only repeat his own opinion as if it's fact. It's obvious that it's far more important that he convinces himself god is real than any of us.
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All I wanted to say that the energy is real.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
That's just Angel. His threads are more about preaching his views and ways of life and he actively rejects any meaningful conversations. He will not honestly respond to anything you say, only repeat his own opinion as if it's fact. It's obvious that it's far more important that he convinces himself god is real than any of us.
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No, this post is calumny, sport. Look to it.
What's more, you've been off topic from the getgo in this thread. How about a good-faith engagement of the OP?
Then you'll see what "meaningful conversation" is all about.
 
Angel said:
No, this post is calumny, sport. Look to it.
What's more, you've been off topic from the getgo in this thread. How about a good-faith engagement of the OP?
Then you'll see what "meaningful conversation" is all about.
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Good to know that i am not on your ignore list. So are you prepared to have a discussion with me?
 
Angel said:
No, this post is calumny, sport. Look to it.
What's more, you've been off topic from the getgo in this thread. How about a good-faith engagement of the OP?
Then you'll see what "meaningful conversation" is all about.
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We've all tried to debate with you in good faith but you're incapable of it. You will not even address anything said by anyone else. You're only interested in insisting that your opinions are fact without being able to substantiate any of them. You're not here to convince us, only yourself.
 
Angel said:
"Real" doesn't exist independently of your mind, either. The Real is Ideal, just as Beauty is the Ideal in the Real.
If we must talk physicalist nonsense, then the hard-wiring is irrelevant also because Reality is hardwired as well.
In plain English, God, like Beauty, is discerned in the world by the discerning mind.
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unless the world is simulated and my mind is the only thing that exists ( seems very unlikely) yes real exists independently of my mind and real will exist after im dead and presumably gone

the real is what is just like beauty being a range of states in some beings minds not existing independently of them

maybe your not that good at discerning these things
 
RabidAlpaca said:
We've all tried to debate with you in good faith but you're incapable of it. You will not even address anything said by anyone else. You're only interested in insisting that your opinions are fact without being able to substantiate any of them. You're not here to convince us, only yourself.
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More calumny (in street lingo = bull****).
Moreover, I challenged you to get your posts on topic in this thread. Why don't you fo that, I'll engage your post, and in this way we'll demonstrate who's full of **** between us.
 
blarg said:
unless the world is simulated and my mind is the only thing that exists ( seems very unlikely) yes real exists independently of my mind and real will exist after im dead and presumably gone

the real is what is just like beauty being a range of states in some beings minds not existing independently of them

maybe your not that good at discerning these things
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No, what we call Real does not exist independently of our minds. This is a fact. Your beloved science attests to this fact. Accept correction for Chrissakes.
 
Angel said:
No, what we call Real does not exist independently of our minds. This is a fact. Your beloved science attests to this fact. Accept correction for Chrissakes.
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going to need some sources for that its a big claim
 
Angel said:
No, this post is calumny, sport. Look to it.
What's more, you've been off topic from the getgo in this thread. How about a good-faith engagement of the OP?
Then you'll see what "meaningful conversation" is all about.
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Angel, virtually everyone you debate ends up saying the same thing about you. Maybe it's time to look in the mirror.
 
blarg said:
going to need some sources for that its a big claim
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If I understand him correctly, all he is saying is that your interpretation of reality can't exist without your brain. ie "What we call real...", a bit of sophistry if you will.

But I agree with you, Hard Solipsism is possible, but until there is some evidence, we all agree that there is a reality that we experience, and that's what we have to work with.
 
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