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[W:1,199]God is Real

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GOD IS REAL

A Note on the Thread
Contrary to 2500 years of philosophy and natural philosophy and 400 years of modern science, as well as the last 15 years of militant atheism, the existence of God is not something to be known; it is not a matter of knowledge, the existence of God. No, the existence of God (to be distinguished conceptually from the nature of God, which is the province of religion and properly so) -- the existence of God is a matter of judgment, of discernment. The existence of God is a value, a value discovered in and through the things of the world. God, the existence of God, is the value discovered in the world by unclouded percipience.

The Argument
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees Beauty in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss seeing the Beauty in the thing that the first beholder sees,
but sees Beauty in another thing.

Both see the Beauty of things, but in and through different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss the Beauty of the things seen as Beautiful by the first and second beholders,
and yet see Beauty in a third thing.

All three see the Beauty of things in different things.
The Beauty they see is as Real as the things they see Beauty in.

A fourth beholder sees Beauty in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

Beauty is as Real as the world in which Beauty is seen.

Do you have an eye for Beauty?


God is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees God in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss God in that thing
and see God in another thing.

Both see God in things but in different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss God in the two things
and see God in a third thing.

All three see God in different things.
God is as Real as the things they see God in.

A fourth beholder sees God in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

God is as Real as the world in which God is seen.

Do you have an eye for God?

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It's quite telling how important it is to you that you constantly have to try to convince Internet strangers god is real. Do you start these threads to convince yourself foremost?

To date you've never provided a single shred of evidence to back up your assertion that god is real.
 
Jetboogieman said:
At the very least if he does exist, pretty piss poor god in my opinion when you look at the state of the world.
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The state of the world is the result of free will, given to man by God. As stated in 1John 5:19 " We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. "
 
Jetboogieman said:
At the very least if he does exist, pretty piss poor god in my opinion when you look at the state of the world.
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When you tell someone your way is the best way to live and they don't believe you, how do you prove that to them?
 
Elvira said:
When you tell someone your way is the best way to live and they don't believe you, how do you prove that to them?
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You've assumed that there's one right way to live that is perfect for everybody. In reality it's incredibly subjective. My idea of a perfect life is radically different from yours. You can't even get Christians to agree on one single way.

Why do you feel you need to convince others we should all adopt your way?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It's quite telling how important it is to you that you constantly have to try to convince Internet strangers god is real. Do you start these threads to convince yourself foremost?

To date you've never provided a single shred of evidence to back up your assertion that god is real.
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Did you realize your post, helps " provide a single shred of evidence" , that bible prophesies are true?
2 Peter: 3&4 states "Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
Sort of like you are doing......
 
RabidAlpaca said:
You've assumed that there's one right way to live that is perfect for everybody. In reality it's incredibly subjective. My idea of a perfect life is radically different from yours. You can't even get Christians to agree on one single way.

Why do you feel you need to convince others we should all adopt your way?
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No human has found it now, have they? What human can rid mankind of sickness, old age, death, and all things evil? Besides, you still did not answer my question...
 
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Elvira said:
No human has found it now, have they? What human can rid mankind of sickness, old age, death, and all things evil? Besides, you still did not answer my question...
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I did answer your question. I told you there is no one right way to live that fits everyone. Now you're trying to tell me you and your fellow Christians have rid mankind of sickness, old age, death and all things evil with your lifestyle? Why do you lie so freely? You know good and well your life style doesn't do those things.

Why don't you answer my question? Why is it so important for you to want to impose your ideal lifestyle on others as if that fits us?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I did answer your question. I told you there is no one right way to live that fits everyone. Now you're trying to tell me you and your fellow Christians have rid mankind of sickness, old age, death and all things evil with your lifestyle? Why do you lie so freely? You know good and well your life style doesn't do those things.

Why don't you answer my question? Why is it so important for you to want to impose your ideal lifestyle on others as if that fits us?
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No, I am talking about God's way...pay attention to the post I responded to...
 
Angel said:
GOD IS REAL

A Note on the Thread
Contrary to 2500 years of philosophy and natural philosophy and 400 years of modern science, as well as the last 15 years of militant atheism, the existence of God is not something to be known; it is not a matter of knowledge, the existence of God. No, the existence of God (to be distinguished conceptually from the nature of God, which is the province of religion and properly so) -- the existence of God is a matter of judgment, of discernment. The existence of God is a value, a value discovered in and through the things of the world. God, the existence of God, is the value discovered in the world by unclouded percipience.

The Argument
fVbyduJ.jpg



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees Beauty in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss seeing the Beauty in the thing that the first beholder sees,
but sees Beauty in another thing.

Both see the Beauty of things, but in and through different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss the Beauty of the things seen as Beautiful by the first and second beholders,
and yet see Beauty in a third thing.

All three see the Beauty of things in different things.
The Beauty they see is as Real as the things they see Beauty in.

A fourth beholder sees Beauty in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

Beauty is as Real as the world in which Beauty is seen.

Do you have an eye for Beauty?


God is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees God in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss God in that thing
and see God in another thing.

Both see God in things but in different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss God in the two things
and see God in a third thing.

All three see God in different things.
God is as Real as the things they see God in.

A fourth beholder sees God in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

God is as Real as the world in which God is seen.

Do you have an eye for God?

LKbUhHd.jpg
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Yes he is.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It's quite telling how important it is to you that you constantly have to try to convince Internet strangers god is real. Do you start these threads to convince yourself foremost?

To date you've never provided a single shred of evidence to back up your assertion that god is real.
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Zealotry needs no evidence!
 
Elvira said:
No, I am talking about God's way...pay attention to the post I responded to...
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Which God's way? There are hundreds from hundreds of religions with wildly conflicting suggestions for how to live. You're just taking your ideal way to live, pretending it's gods and objective and that we should all follow it. Your religious way of life sounds like a nightmare to me, why should I live in a way I hate?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Which God's way? There are hundreds from hundreds of religions with wildly conflicting suggestions for how to live. You're just taking your ideal way to live, pretending it's gods and objective and that we should all follow it. Your religious way of life sounds like a nightmare to me, why should I live in a way I hate?
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Jehovah God's way...that is basically what He was telling Adam and Eve in the garden, that His way was best, so listen to Him...with their rebellious attitude, they were telling God they wanted to govern themselves and choose for themselves what was right and wrong...thus the "pretty piss poor god in my opinion when you look at the state of the world." that Jet mentioned in his post...so, my question is, how can God prove to man that God's way is the best way to live? By destroying Satan, along with Adam and Eve and start over? What would that prove? Only who is most powerful, certainly not what is the best way for man to live...the only way for God to prove to man that His way is the best way to live is to let man attempt to govern himself...thus the "pretty piss poor god in my opinion when you look at the state of the world." that Jet mentioned in his post...
 
Elvira said:
Jehovah God's way...that is basically what He was telling Adam and Eve in the garden, that His way was best, so listen to Him...with their rebellious attitude, they were telling God they wanted to govern themselves and choose for themselves what was right and wrong...thus the "pretty piss poor god in my opinion when you look at the state of the world." that Jet mentioned in his post...so, my question is, how can God prove to man that God's way is the best way to live? By destroying Satan, along with Adam and Eve and start over? What would that prove? Only who is most powerful, certainly not what is the best way for man to live...the only way for God to prove to man that His way is the best way to live is to let man attempt to govern himself...thus the "pretty piss poor god in my opinion when you look at the state of the world." that Jet mentioned in his post...
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I just told you I'd hate to live you and your god's way, would be totally miserable. So would any Muslim, Hindu or Jew.

You're pretending you've found a universal, objective perfect way to live, which you know is nonsense. The question is why is it so important to convince everyone else your way is the right way instead of accepting we're all different and want different things?
 
Angel said:
GOD IS REAL

A Note on the Thread
Contrary to 2500 years of philosophy and natural philosophy and 400 years of modern science, as well as the last 15 years of militant atheism, the existence of God is not something to be known; it is not a matter of knowledge, the existence of God. No, the existence of God (to be distinguished conceptually from the nature of God, which is the province of religion and properly so) -- the existence of God is a matter of judgment, of discernment. The existence of God is a value, a value discovered in and through the things of the world. God, the existence of God, is the value discovered in the world by unclouded percipience.

The Argument
fVbyduJ.jpg



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees Beauty in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss seeing the Beauty in the thing that the first beholder sees,
but sees Beauty in another thing.

Both see the Beauty of things, but in and through different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss the Beauty of the things seen as Beautiful by the first and second beholders,
and yet see Beauty in a third thing.

All three see the Beauty of things in different things.
The Beauty they see is as Real as the things they see Beauty in.

A fourth beholder sees Beauty in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

Beauty is as Real as the world in which Beauty is seen.

Do you have an eye for Beauty?


God is in the eye of the beholder.
The eye of the beholder sees God in a thing.

The eye of a second beholder may miss God in that thing
and see God in another thing.

Both see God in things but in different things.

The eye of a third beholder may miss God in the two things
and see God in a third thing.

All three see God in different things.
God is as Real as the things they see God in.

A fourth beholder sees God in nothing.
His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

God is as Real as the world in which God is seen.

Do you have an eye for God?

LKbUhHd.jpg
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so god may not be real

beauty dosent exist independently of your mind that's wired to find something things attractive

a being that created the universe and and that has a will of its own exits or it dosent whether you believe in it or not
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I just told you I'd hate to live you and your god's way, would be totally miserable. So would any Muslim, Hindu or Jew.

You're pretending you've found a universal, objective perfect way to live, which you know is nonsense. The question is why is it so important to convince everyone else your way is the right way instead of accepting we're all different and want different things?
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Nice dodge of addressing everything/anything I said...
 
So my favorite Persian philosopher convinced me a few years back. I've always been a believer, so I was easily swept off my feet when I read his writings (translated to english). Here's a small summation:


Avicenna argued that there must be a "necessary existent", an entity that cannot not exist .The argument says that the entire set of contingent things must have a cause that is not contingent because otherwise it would be included in the set. The necessary existent must have the attributes of unity, simplicity, immateriality, intellect, power, generosity, and goodness.
 
Elvira said:
When you tell someone your way is the best way to live and they don't believe you, how do you prove that to them?
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With evidence and reasoning. Not claiming they should follow your invisible besty, or else roast for eternity in a lake of fire (I'm aware you don't believe this, but as you know, a lot of Christians do, and use this as a reason atheists should become Christians.)
 
JustHanging said:
With evidence and reasoning. Not claiming they should follow your invisible besty, or else roast for eternity in a lake of fire (I'm aware you don't believe this, but as you know, a lot of Christians do, and use this as a reason atheists should become Christians.)
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So, how's doin' it your way workin' for ya compared to Jehovah's promises of everlasting life in peace and happiness?
 
mrdeltoid said:
Did you realize your post, helps " provide a single shred of evidence" , that bible prophesies are true?
2 Peter: 3&4 states "Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
Sort of like you are doing......
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The conmen have been claiming the end for quite some time. It always passes and a new date is selected. Seems to me if there is a god it would want us to use our highly developed brain which it created rather than study the same book over and over again. That's just me though.
 
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