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It's not just Catholics

RAMOSS said:
An Alabama ex-evangelistic youth minister pleads guilty to 28 charges of sexually abusing minors that were under his care. He could face up to life in prison.

Ex-Alabama youth evangelist pleads guilty to 28 sex crimes
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If we as a society create positions of trust over our children, whether religious or secular, it is going to attract the most evil predatory scum. Pedophiles go to where the children are.
 
Felis Leo said:
If we as a society create positions of trust over our children, whether religious or secular, it is going to attract the most evil predatory scum. Pedophiles go to where the children are.
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The problem in this case is that the term 'ministry' invoked trust, and lack of oversight.
 
RAMOSS said:
The problem in this case is that the term 'ministry' invoked trust, and lack of oversight.
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Well, that is the problem, RAMOSS. Up until recently, very few institutions had oversight for the protection of children against sexual abuse by the adults charged with their care. Whether we are talking about the Churches, Elementary Schools, sporting or performing arts institutions, we simply were not on the lookout against sexual abuse of children up until the early-to-mid 2000s. Now we are finding out that Catholic Priests, Baptist ministers, Rabbis, elementary school and middle school teachers, and football coaches and famous doctors have been molesting, assaulting, grooming and raping literally millions upon millions of our children.

I do not see it as a problem of Christianity in particular, whether Catholic or Protestant. Christians did not invent pedophilia. And pedophilia would not disappear overnight even if every Christian turned atheist tomorrow. I see it as a problem of unblinkered trust and the willingness to defend people who we put on pedestals for unearned moral superiority, such as priests, rabbis, teachers, doctors and coaches. No one deserves absolute trust without oversight.
 
Felis Leo said:
Well, that is the problem, RAMOSS. Up until recently, very few institutions had oversight for the protection of children against sexual abuse by the adults charged with their care. Whether we are talking about the Churches, Elementary Schools, sporting or performing arts institutions, we simply were not on the lookout against sexual abuse of children up until the early-to-mid 2000s. Now we are finding out that Catholic Priests, Baptist ministers, Rabbis, elementary school and middle school teachers, and football coaches and famous doctors have been molesting, assaulting, grooming and raping literally millions upon millions of our children.

I do not see it as a problem of Christianity in particular, whether Catholic or Protestant. Christians did not invent pedophilia. And pedophilia would not disappear overnight even if every Christian turned atheist tomorrow. I see it as a problem of unblinkered trust and the willingness to defend people who we put on pedestals for unearned moral superiority, such as priests, rabbis, teachers, doctors and coaches. No one deserves absolute trust without oversight.
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I see it as the automatic trust that people give when they see 'minister'. Even the boy and girl scouts have protocols that are supposed to be put in place so that a single adult is not alone with the kids, and they did this because of problems that happened. It's not religion or Christianity that causes the pedophilia. However, people labeling themselves 'ministers' are for some reason given added trust that is not otherwise earned, and sometimes, that added trust is abused.
 
It is a subject few parents are willing to discuss with their children, hoping to preserve their innocence for as long as possible. Children are more sexually aware than parents are willing to accept, and explaining to them at young ages that no one can touch them in private places is easily understood and accepted. Knowing that they can approach their parents and other adults, without guilt or embarrassment when someone approaches them makes a difference. When a child tells a predator "I am going to tell my father," predators tend to slink off. Not always, certainly. But better a verbal defense which is threatening to a predator than none at all. Better that a child can recognize a predator, than be abused in innocence. It is also essential that parents and other family adults remain vigilant for behavioral changes with their children that may indicate something they are uncomfortable discussing, particularly interactions with older children or adults who have threatened their well being if they speak up. Reminding children that their parents and other close family adults are in place to protect them should be reinforced as often as possible. Keeping in mind this is a strategy that can also effect children who are targets of bullying. It is worth the effort.
 
RAMOSS said:
It's not just Catholics
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Of course not. JW's have an issue with it as well.

The Secret Jehovah’s Witness Database of Child Molesters - The Atlantic

Thus did the Jehovah’s Witnesses build what might be the world’s largest database of undocumented child molesters: at least two decades’ worth of names and addresses—likely numbering in the tens of thousands—and detailed acts of alleged abuse, most of which have never been shared with law enforcement, all scanned and searchable in a Microsoft SharePoint file
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RAMOSS said:
The problem in this case is that the term 'ministry' invoked trust, and lack of oversight.
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You never post accounts of Jewish rabbis who molest kids or do crimes. Why is that, Ramoss?
 
Logicman said:
You never post accounts of Jewish rabbis who molest kids or do crimes. Why is that, Ramoss?
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Mainly, because I don't see any articles about it. If you can find current events of it, by all means, post it.
 
RAMOSS said:
Mainly, because I don't see any articles about it. If you can find current events of it, by all means, post it.
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Bull, you're blinded by your bias.

Here's a Jewish rabbi who's involved in child pornography.

Rabbi at Prominent NYC Orthodox School Charged With Producing Child Pornography - NBC New York

And here's one about a teacher at a Reform Judaism congregation molesting children:

Lawsuit alleges child sex abuse at Washington Hebrew Congregation - CNN

You are a one trick pony when it comes to these kinds of crimes - you're always posting them about Christian pastors, etc., and never about those who are Jewish rabbis, Reform Judaism adherents, etc. Not surprised.
 
Logicman said:
You never post accounts of Jewish rabbis who molest kids or do crimes. Why is that, Ramoss?
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Nor muslims where it is according to sharia law.
A muslim girl, Child, can be forced into a temporary marriage for a weekend or so,
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Nor muslims where it is according to sharia law.
A muslim girl, Child, can be forced into a temporary marriage for a weekend or so,
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I'm not surprised. Powerful men seem to be obsessed with children, or is it just that their power gives them access, and those are the ones we learn about.

Epstein, Preists. Heck, even Trump has bragged about getting his sexual jollies peeping on naked children, and none of his supporters seem to have a problem with that.

Donald Trump boasted about meeting semi-naked teenagers in beauty pageants | The Independent
Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant also said the Republican used to walk in. Some of the girls were as young as 15.


So it seems at least some Fundamental Muslims and a lot of Evangelical Christians are fine with pedophelia, so long as they themselves can profit from it. IMO, it's no surprise that those who claim to be the most moral, are in fact the least moral.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Mainly, because I don't see any articles about it. If you can find current events of it, by all means, post it.
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Just google Jewish rabbi pedophile and you will find dozens of articles of pedophile rabbis and in the Jewish communities. No, just because you don't look for this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This problem has nothing to do with religion. It's a problem with individuals who want to control others and the young are easy prey. So, they put their deranged heads into situations that allow them to do their evil things to young people. It's just like any abuse, it's a power trip of someone who needs to show their power over others.
 
Cougarbear said:
Just google Jewish rabbi pedophile and you will find dozens of articles of pedophile rabbis and in the Jewish communities. No, just because you don't look for this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This problem has nothing to do with religion. It's a problem with individuals who want to control others and the young are easy prey. So, they put their deranged heads into situations that allow them to do their evil things to young people. It's just like any abuse, it's a power trip of someone who needs to show their power over others.
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Mormon too. Particularly Mormon.
 
Religion breeds pedophiles, all religions.

IMO, Catholic priests right out of the gate are sworn to celibacy, and maybe justify their pervisions because they are not with evil women.

Muslim Imans, clerics, etc. can have you killed if you get out of hand, so less people are likely to speak up
and the pedophilia is legal by sharia, in the religion because big Mo did it.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Religion breeds pedophiles, all religions.

IMO, Catholic priests right out of the gate are sworn to celibacy, and maybe justify their pervisions because they are not with evil women.

Muslim Imans, clerics, etc. can have you killed if you get out of hand, so less people are likely to speak up
and the pedophilia is legal by sharia, in the religion because big Mo did it.
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So, what is a teacher's excuse...or a Dr's or any other profession that breeds a pedophile?
 
Elvira said:
So, what is a teacher's excuse...or a Dr's or any other profession that breeds a pedophile?
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There is no excuse to be a pedophile there's an organization that tries to cover it up. Multiple religious organization do this. There are non religious organizations that do this
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's not just religious people there are educator to coaches even parents that molest children.
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You will see it anytime there is a figure of authority that has access to minors. That would be girl scouts and boy scouts too. However, there seems to be special trust given to people who claim to be 'ministers' , or religious leaders in general. And, often, when these leaders represent a group of worshippers, there is a tendency to back the religious leader/figure, and marginalize the victim.
 
CLAX1911 said:
There is no excuse to be a pedophile there's an organization that tries to cover it up. Multiple religious organization do this. There are non religious organizations that do this
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Exactly my point...they appear across the board...
 
RAMOSS said:
You will see it anytime there is a figure of authority that has access to minors. That would be girl scouts and boy scouts too. However, there seems to be special trust given to people who claim to be 'ministers' , or religious leaders in general. And, often, when these leaders represent a group of worshippers, there is a tendency to back the religious leader/figure, and marginalize the victim.
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It doesn't seem any more special to me when there's a religion involved.
 
CLAX1911 said:
There is no excuse to be a pedophile there's an organization that tries to cover it up. Multiple religious organization do this. There are non religious organizations that do this
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There are lots of excuses for it, just how valid they are is another thing.

In Islam for example, Muhammed was a pedophile,
But it was Allah who promoted it, and gifted a 6 year old to Muhammed.

when you are born with this kind of influence, you have a better chance of it happening as a normal thing.
 
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