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Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

CLAX1911 said:
so you want me to prove to you that according to the Bible Jesus was anointed by God?

Fair enough

Acts 10:38
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Oh, if you are quoting the Bible that must prove it. By the way, that doesn't prove anything.
 
mrjurrs said:
Oh, if you are quoting the Bible that must prove it. By the way, that doesn't prove anything.
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It does prove that according to Christianity Jesus was anointed by God.

Meaning not Buddha or Ganesh.

Seemed ridiculous to me that I have to explain this to you but you are asking the question.
 
Oh, so then according to christianity I should also stone someone to death for eating shellfish? Look, if your faith makes you feel good, practice it. Just don't try telling anyone you know. Because if you do, there are 7 billion people that would like to know what happens after death.
 
mrjurrs said:
How is it that Jesus was born caucasian in a land of Semites. I've never seen any artistic version of Jesus that isn't white.
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mrjurrs said:
Oh, so then according to christianity I should also stone someone to death for eating shellfish?
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not according to Christianity Jesus brought a new covenant that rendered kosher laws inapplicable.

You realize Christians don't have a such thing as kosher right?
Look, if your faith makes you feel good, practice it. Just don't try telling anyone you know. Because if you do, there are 7 billion people that would like to know what happens after death.
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I haven't mentioned my faith once, I haven't told anyone I know anything.

Do you even read what you respond to?

I first asked you if you accepted the paradigm of Christianity.

You didn't answer that question you indicated you didn't understand.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Then asking if Christians prove something to you requires you to accept the paradigm an exercise in futility
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The paradigm I come from is the Jewish one , which is the foundation that much of Christianity is built on. The scripture they quote to 'prove' sin is the Jewish scripture, and they are interpreting it wrong.
 
RAMOSS said:
The paradigm I come from is the Jewish one , which is the foundation that much of Christianity is built on. The scripture they quote to 'prove' sin is the Jewish scripture, and they are interpreting it wrong.
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If you reject the paradigm. Any effort to prove anything within the will be met with prove the paradigm. Let's just talking past one another.
 
CLAX1911 said:
If you reject the paradigm. Any effort to prove anything within the will be met with prove the paradigm. Let's just talking past one another.
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If the paradigm can not be shown to be true, any reasoning that uses that paradigm as a premise is flawed.
 
RAMOSS said:
If the paradigm can not be shown to be true,
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I guess I don't really understand what you mean by the paradigm not shown to be true.

A paradigm at least in the context I was using it is a pattern and the fact that you recognize when I said Christianity shows that you understand it's a pattern. Just like how you can recognize a Christian church or a person who is Christian.

The paradigm is true in the sense that it's a paradox you already accepted that because here we are talking about it.

So I don't know what you mean about paradigm shown to be true.
any reasoning that uses that paradigm as a premise is flawed.
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explain why?
 
CLAX1911 said:
I guess I don't really understand what you mean by the paradigm not shown to be true.

A paradigm at least in the context I was using it is a pattern and the fact that you recognize when I said Christianity shows that you understand it's a pattern. Just like how you can recognize a Christian church or a person who is Christian.

The paradigm is true in the sense that it's a paradox you already accepted that because here we are talking about it.

So I don't know what you mean about paradigm shown to be true.
explain why?
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When something in a logical argument is used as a premise, such as this paradigm, and the premise can not be shown to be true, the logical argument fails because it has a premise that is non-testable and can not be shown to be true.
 
RAMOSS said:
When something in a logical argument is used as a premise, such as this paradigm, and the premise can not be shown to be true, the logical argument fails because it has a premise that is non-testable and can not be shown to be true.
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That's false people can make logical arguments regarding characters that don't really even exist outside of a story.

People can make logical arguments on hypotheticals which aren't true.
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's false people can make logical arguments regarding characters that don't really even exist outside of a story.

People can make logical arguments on hypotheticals which aren't true.
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Oh, they make the argument, but that does not mean that the argument is sound. If you can not show that the argument is sound, it is not convincing, and you can not show that the logic is true.
 
RAMOSS said:
Oh, they make the argument, but that does not mean that the argument is sound.
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what would qualify an argument as sound?

If you can not show that the argument is sound, it is not convincing,
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if you invariably judge all arguments to not be sound because you reject the paradigm you are being obstinate.
and you can not show that the logic is true.
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What does "logic is true" mean? How can logic be true it's either logical or illogical regardless of whether it's true or not.
 
CLAX1911 said:
what would qualify an argument as sound?

if you invariably judge all arguments to not be sound because you reject the paradigm you are being obstinate.

What does "logic is true" mean? How can logic be true it's either logical or illogical regardless of whether it's true or not.
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Something where the various premise can be tested and nominally shown to be true, and that the conclusion is a direct result of the various premises, and not a leap of faith.
 
RAMOSS said:
Something where the various premise can be tested and nominally shown to be true
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and that's the empirical method that's not logic.
and that the conclusion is a direct result of the various premises, and not a leap of faith.
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If you reject the premises you necessarily reject all of the conclusions made from them.
 
CLAX1911 said:
and that's the empirical method that's not logic.

If you reject the premises you necessarily reject all of the conclusions made from them.
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Can you define what logic is, in a philosophical sense?
 
CLAX1911 said:
Reasoning.
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Close .. but logic is not just reasoning, it is a formalized structure of reasoning.

Without having a premise you can show to be true, and a method of testing the conclusions on the way, any conclusion demostrated can not be shown to be more than opinion.
 
RAMOSS said:
Close .. but logic is not just reasoning, it is a formalized structure of reasoning.
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that's just a more precise certain of my answer.
Without having a premise you can show to be true,
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what do you mean by that?
and a method of testing the conclusions on the way, any conclusion demostrated can not be shown to be more than opinion.
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Opinions can be logical and well reasoned and still be opinions.
 
CLAX1911 said:
that's just a more precise certain of my answer.
what do you mean by that?
Opinions can be logical and well reasoned and still be opinions.
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But they aren't convincing to anybody who doesn't accept the premise.
 
RAMOSS said:
But they aren't convincing to anybody who doesn't accept the premise.
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Convincing? I never mentioned convincing. Honestly I have never met anyone on any of these forums that is convincing. I don't enter into discussions to convince anybody of anything. The only thing I ever seek to do is rationalize my position. That's what discussion should be.
 
CLAX1911 said:
not according to Christianity Jesus brought a new covenant that rendered kosher laws inapplicable.

You realize Christians don't have a such thing as kosher right?

I haven't mentioned my faith once, I haven't told anyone I know anything.

Do you even read what you respond to?

I first asked you if you accepted the paradigm of Christianity.

You didn't answer that question you indicated you didn't understand.
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You actually asked about the "paradigm if Christianity". Is it any wonder I didn't understand?
 
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