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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

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    Do you reject the paradigm if Christianity?
    I do. Of course, I am not Christian. Never have been either.
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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

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    I do. Of course, I am not Christian. Never have been either.
    Then asking if Christians prove something to you requires you to accept the paradigm an exercise in futility

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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

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    Then asking if Christians prove something to you requires you to accept the paradigm an exercise in futility
    The paradigm I come from is the Jewish one , which is the foundation that much of Christianity is built on. The scripture they quote to 'prove' sin is the Jewish scripture, and they are interpreting it wrong.
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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    The paradigm I come from is the Jewish one , which is the foundation that much of Christianity is built on. The scripture they quote to 'prove' sin is the Jewish scripture, and they are interpreting it wrong.
    If you reject the paradigm. Any effort to prove anything within the will be met with prove the paradigm. Let's just talking past one another.

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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    If you reject the paradigm. Any effort to prove anything within the will be met with prove the paradigm. Let's just talking past one another.
    If the paradigm can not be shown to be true, any reasoning that uses that paradigm as a premise is flawed.
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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    If the paradigm can not be shown to be true,
    I guess I don't really understand what you mean by the paradigm not shown to be true.

    A paradigm at least in the context I was using it is a pattern and the fact that you recognize when I said Christianity shows that you understand it's a pattern. Just like how you can recognize a Christian church or a person who is Christian.

    The paradigm is true in the sense that it's a paradox you already accepted that because here we are talking about it.

    So I don't know what you mean about paradigm shown to be true.
    any reasoning that uses that paradigm as a premise is flawed.
    explain why?

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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    I guess I don't really understand what you mean by the paradigm not shown to be true.

    A paradigm at least in the context I was using it is a pattern and the fact that you recognize when I said Christianity shows that you understand it's a pattern. Just like how you can recognize a Christian church or a person who is Christian.

    The paradigm is true in the sense that it's a paradox you already accepted that because here we are talking about it.

    So I don't know what you mean about paradigm shown to be true.
    explain why?
    When something in a logical argument is used as a premise, such as this paradigm, and the premise can not be shown to be true, the logical argument fails because it has a premise that is non-testable and can not be shown to be true.
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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    When something in a logical argument is used as a premise, such as this paradigm, and the premise can not be shown to be true, the logical argument fails because it has a premise that is non-testable and can not be shown to be true.
    That's false people can make logical arguments regarding characters that don't really even exist outside of a story.

    People can make logical arguments on hypotheticals which aren't true.

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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    That's false people can make logical arguments regarding characters that don't really even exist outside of a story.

    People can make logical arguments on hypotheticals which aren't true.
    Oh, they make the argument, but that does not mean that the argument is sound. If you can not show that the argument is sound, it is not convincing, and you can not show that the logic is true.
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    Re: Whether you believe in God or not, does not matter

    Quote Originally Posted by RAMOSS View Post
    Oh, they make the argument, but that does not mean that the argument is sound.
    what would qualify an argument as sound?

    If you can not show that the argument is sound, it is not convincing,
    if you invariably judge all arguments to not be sound because you reject the paradigm you are being obstinate.
    and you can not show that the logic is true.
    What does "logic is true" mean? How can logic be true it's either logical or illogical regardless of whether it's true or not.

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