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What To Do Regarding Your Proof Of God

Dragonfly

Dragonfly

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First of all, why are you wasting time here at DP? You've got work to do.

Here's my suggestion for you:

1) create a formal document detailing all your evidence, data, and original work - be sure to capture all of it
2) copyright it, and trademark it so you get full credit
3) submit it to multiple organizations across the planet for thorough peer review, and for unbiased scientific testing of your evidence and data
4) Wait patiently for your Nobel prize, unprecedented fame, and worldwide adoration.

The level of fame and fortune you'll receive will make people like Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, and Oprah Winfrey drop to their knees and bow at the very mention of your name.

A few helpful hints though:

1) the bible is not evidence - neither is The Watchtower
2) simply being here and alive today is not evidence
3) a few bizarre bullet points at DP is not evidence
4) a dream you had is not evidence
5) a baby being born is not evidence
6) a beautiful sunrise is not evidence
7) a loved one surviving a car crash is not evidence
8) hearing voices in your head is not evidence
9) being told most of your life it's true is not evidence
10) a burnt piece of toast is not evidence
11) having "free will" is not evidence


Wait, what? Your proof requires faith? Oops...I got bad news for you. That's not proof.
But if you don't believe me, go through the process I describes up top.

Submit your proof to higher authorities than those of us here at DP.

If your proof is actual proof, the whole world will know about it very soon.
Have at it. Until then, you've probably got nothing.
 
What do you hope to get out of a thread like this?
 
Dragonfly said:
First of all, why are you wasting time here at DP? You've got work to do.

Here's my suggestion for you:

1) create a formal document detailing all your evidence, data, and original work - be sure to capture all of it
2) copyright it, and trademark it so you get full credit
3) submit it to multiple organizations across the planet for thorough peer review, and for unbiased scientific testing of your evidence and data
4) Wait patiently for your Nobel prize, unprecedented fame, and worldwide adoration.

The level of fame and fortune you'll receive will make people like Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, and Oprah Winfrey drop to their knees and bow at the very mention of your name.

A few helpful hints though:

1) the bible is not evidence - neither is The Watchtower
2) simply being here and alive today is not evidence
3) a few bizarre bullet points at DP is not evidence
4) a dream you had is not evidence
5) a baby being born is not evidence
6) a beautiful sunrise is not evidence
7) a loved one surviving a car crash is not evidence
8) hearing voices in your head is not evidence
9) being told most of your life it's true is not evidence
10) a burnt piece of toast is not evidence
11) having "free will" is not evidence


Wait, what? Your proof requires faith? Oops...I got bad news for you. That's not proof.
But if you don't believe me, go through the process I describes up top.

Submit your proof to higher authorities than those of us here at DP.

If your proof is actual proof, the whole world will know about it very soon.
Have at it. Until then, you've probably got nothing.
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I don't understand people who hate anyone who exercise their personal right to believe as they wish.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't understand people who hate anyone who exercise their personal right to believe as they wish.
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Like you guys on the right and socialism? I'm sure the right never says anything negative to those folks who push for more socialism in america.
 
ocean515 said:
I don't understand people who hate anyone who exercise their personal right to believe as they wish.
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So you are OK with other people not being vaccinated and thuse creating the situation that all of us will be at risk of the diseases we used to be protected against as the effect of evolution on it will cause it to have a massive opportunity to evolve past the vaccine's blocking of it.

Just because they are choosing to be stupid?

Or would you like it that those of us who understand the situation do the thing of taking on such notions in the public debate space?
 
bongsaway said:
Like you guys on the right and socialism? I'm sure the right never says anything negative to those folks who push for more socialism in america.
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Socialism is a not a religion, it's a political belief. Different thing.
 
ocean515 said:
Socialism is a not a religion, it's a political belief. Different thing.
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In the American Context, especially for the Republican Party, religion and politics are intertwined and so with the way it is used to push an authoritarian against women and certain minorities, it should be challenged wherever possible.
 
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Tim the plumber said:
So you are OK with other people not being vaccinated and thuse creating the situation that all of us will be at risk of the diseases we used to be protected against as the effect of evolution on it will cause it to have a massive opportunity to evolve past the vaccine's blocking of it.

Just because they are choosing to be stupid?

Or would you like it that those of us who understand the situation do the thing of taking on such notions in the public debate space?
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I have a problem with people who refuse to vaccinate. That's based on a health issue. Don't care if they want to claim some religious exemption.

But vaccinations have nothing to do with the hate being revealed in the OP, and by those who attack people of faith.

If the question being asked involved people who use religion to bring about a threat to the rest of the population, I wouldn't have posted what I did.
 
Jetboogieman said:
In the American Contest, especially for the Republican Party, religion and politics are intertwined and so with the way it is used to push an authoritarian against women and certain minorities, it should be challenged wherever possible.
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American Contest? What is that?

Propaganda, like you've expressed, has no place in the discussion.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Context.

What I’ve expressed is not propaganda.
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But it is. It's just your subjective feelings filtered through your bias.

I know many Republicans who are not religious at all. I don't go to church. I don't belong to any organized religion. I'm a registered Republican.

I'm mostly pro-choice. In fact, I make a habit of avoiding discussion on abortion, as I see it as a third rail issue.
 
Dragonfly said:
First of all, why are you wasting time here at DP? You've got work to do.

Here's my suggestion for you:

1) create a formal document detailing all your evidence, data, and original work - be sure to capture all of it
2) copyright it, and trademark it so you get full credit
3) submit it to multiple organizations across the planet for thorough peer review, and for unbiased scientific testing of your evidence and data
4) Wait patiently for your Nobel prize, unprecedented fame, and worldwide adoration.

The level of fame and fortune you'll receive will make people like Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet, and Oprah Winfrey drop to their knees and bow at the very mention of your name.

A few helpful hints though:

1) the bible is not evidence - neither is The Watchtower
2) simply being here and alive today is not evidence
3) a few bizarre bullet points at DP is not evidence
4) a dream you had is not evidence
5) a baby being born is not evidence
6) a beautiful sunrise is not evidence
7) a loved one surviving a car crash is not evidence
8) hearing voices in your head is not evidence
9) being told most of your life it's true is not evidence
10) a burnt piece of toast is not evidence
11) having "free will" is not evidence


Wait, what? Your proof requires faith? Oops...I got bad news for you. That's not proof.
But if you don't believe me, go through the process I describes up top.

Submit your proof to higher authorities than those of us here at DP.

If your proof is actual proof, the whole world will know about it very soon.
Have at it. Until then, you've probably got nothing.
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Dude, religion is faith based.


It's like you're arguing with the wind.
 
ocean515 said:
I have a problem with people who refuse to vaccinate. That's based on a health issue. Don't care if they want to claim some religious exemption.

But vaccinations have nothing to do with the hate being revealed in the OP, and by those who attack people of faith.

If the question being asked involved people who use religion to bring about a threat to the rest of the population, I wouldn't have posted what I did.
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How about those who have sucessfully, stopped certain sorts of stem cell research in teh USA?

Are you OK with that result given that it will delay the cure for cancer for many years?
 
ocean515 said:
But it is. It's just your subjective feelings filtered through your bias.

I know many Republicans who are not religious at all. I don't go to church. I don't belong to any organized religion. I'm a registered Republican.

I'm mostly pro-choice. In fact, I make a habit of avoiding discussion on abortion, as I see it as a third rail issue.
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Jetboogieman is spot-on. There exists a marriage of convenience between the GOP and US Evangelicals.
 
Tim the plumber said:

How about those who have sucessfully, stopped certain sorts of stem cell research in teh USA?

Are you OK with that result given that it will delay the cure for cancer for many years?
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I support stem cell research. I understand harvesting biological material from aborted children is a controversial practice to many people.
 
ocean515 said:
But it is. It's just your subjective feelings filtered through your bias.

I know many Republicans who are not religious at all. I don't go to church. I don't belong to any organized religion. I'm a registered Republican.

I'm mostly pro-choice. In fact, I make a habit of avoiding discussion on abortion, as I see it as a third rail issue.
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That doesn’t change the general policy of religion informing Republicans legislative agendas... Such as recently in Ohio.

The point is, religion is very much political in the United States, to a certain extent everywhere, but in the western world, America is somewhat of an outlier where radical evangelicals hold massive sway.

That’s not propaganda, simply a matter of fact.
 
ocean515 said:
I support stem cell research. I understand harvesting biological material from aborted children is a controversial practice to many people.
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So you do or don't see the importance of taking on the arguments of the religious or other bad thinkers in the public forum?
 
Jetboogieman said:
That doesn’t change the general policy of religion informing Republicans legislative agendas... Such as recently in Ohio.

The point is, religion is very much political in the United States, to a certain extent everywhere, but in the western world, America is somewhat of an outlier where radical evangelicals hold massive sway.

That’s not propaganda, simply a matter of fact.
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Ohio did nothing controversial. That is just the propaganda you accept.

As you hate on "evangelicals" and make up stuff about how "in the Western World" they are an outlier in their "massive" influence, you ignore the Nations that are run by religious figures, and the specific ideology they are part of.

That fact removes the credibility of your argument.
 
ocean515 said:
Ohio did nothing controversial. That is just the propaganda you accept.

As you hate on "evangelicals" and make up stuff about how "in the Western World" they are an outlier in their "massive" influence, you ignore the Nations that are run by religious figures, and the specific ideology they are part of.

That fact removes the credibility of your argument.
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In the developed world, the religious influence here in the US is an outlier. But, sure, let's point at some third world theocratic ****hole and be glad we are not yet that. :roll:
 
calamity said:
In the developed world, the religious influence here in the US is an outlier. But, sure, let's point at some third world theocratic ****hole and be glad we are not yet that. :roll:
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No. That's just propaganda.
 
ocean515 said:
Socialism is a not a religion, it's a political belief. Different thing.
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Most Americans don’t understand socialism for what it actually is. But people on the right understand the fact that the word 'socialism' is only, and always has been used, as a pejorative in American politics. We’re a country that only reads the Cliff’s Notes on economic theory and politics, and we mostly just know the buzzwords well enough to use as weapons. When someone calls it ‘socialism’, we believe that’s bad, whatever it is. Oh, some of us have bothered to memorize some of the cold-war talking points that it “fails every time it’s tried”, that it “is totalitarian”, that “they take all your stuff” and leave you poor and politically voiceless, and they dutifully regurgitate them as a way to straighten out the poor hapless fools who don’t understand that 'it’s bad'. Um... okay. This means in effect that Socialism, in American politics, is whatever the American right wants it to be, a wild-card to be dealt when they want to defeat liberal/progressive policy initiatives.

Likewise, when we do things collectively and fund it via taxpayer dollars (like having a military, public roads, public infra, emergency services and fire departments and more) it doesn’t occur to anyone to consider that that’s all 'socialist'… unless or until the beneficiary might happen to be poor- then it’s creeping socialism, and must be stamped out. At the end of the day, every single modern developed country in the world has some measure of socialism embedded in its capitalist system.

In American politics, we overlook the way we socialize the risks and losses of our banks, but we don’t call it ‘socialism’ when we do that. Those of us with good jobs, who get our insurance via our employers, receive taxpayer-funded, socialized health care as lavish as any in the world, and when your Grandma gets her Medicare check or her medical bills paid via Medicare, those things aren’t called ‘socialism’ because socialism is a bad thing, right?
 
ocean515 said:
Ohio did nothing controversial. That is just the propaganda you accept.

As you hate on "evangelicals" and make up stuff about how "in the Western World" they are an outlier in their "massive" influence, you ignore the Nations that are run by religious figures, and the specific ideology they are part of.

That fact removes the credibility of your argument.
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I was just curious to see where you were gonna go with this, I mean I know you’re a right wing, trump propaganda pusher so I don’t know what I really expected but there it is.
 
HumblePi said:
Most Americans don’t understand socialism for what it actually is. But people on the right understand the fact that the word 'socialism' is only, and always has been used, as a pejorative in American politics. We’re a country that only reads the Cliff’s Notes on economic theory and politics, and we mostly just know the buzzwords well enough to use as weapons. When someone calls it ‘socialism’, we believe that’s bad, whatever it is. Oh, some of us have bothered to memorize some of the cold-war talking points that it “fails every time it’s tried”, that it “is totalitarian”, that “they take all your stuff” and leave you poor and politically voiceless, and they dutifully regurgitate them as a way to straighten out the poor hapless fools who don’t understand that 'it’s bad'. Um... okay. This means in effect that Socialism, in American politics, is whatever the American right wants it to be, a wild-card to be dealt when they want to defeat liberal/progressive policy initiatives.

Components of the conservative right have deployed the ‘socialism’ boogeyman in service of their own politics so much and so often that we’ve all lost touch with what socialism is and what socialism isn’t. Meanwhile in American politics, we overlook the way we socialize the risks and losses of (for example) our banks, but we don’t call it ‘socialism’ when we do that. Those of us with good jobs (who get our insurance via our employers) receive taxpayer-funded, socialized health care as lavish as any in the Nordic world[3] , and when Grandma gets her medicare check or her medical bills paid via Medicare, those things aren’t called ‘socialism’ because socialism is a bad thing, right?

Likewise, when we do things collectively and fund it via taxpayer dollars (like having a military, public roads, public infra, emergency services and fire departments and more) it doesn’t occur to anyone to consider that that’s all 'socialist'… unless or until the beneficiary might happen to be poor- then it’s creeping socialism, and must be stamped out. At the end of the day, every single modern developed country in the world has some measure of socialism embedded in its capitalist system. In American politics, we overlook the way we socialize the risks and losses of our banks, but we don’t call it ‘socialism’ when we do that. Those of us with good jobs, who get our insurance via our employers, receive taxpayer-funded, socialized health care as lavish as any in the world, and when your Grandma gets her Medicare check or her medical bills paid via Medicare, those things aren’t called ‘socialism’ because socialism is a bad thing, right?
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Socialist's know they must trying to create a new definition of the ideology, in order to avoid connections to the failure of socialism around the globe.

It's the "this time it will be different" mentality.

Can't polish a turd. Socialism goes against the evolution of mankind.

As such, it will always fail, no matter what color bow you try to put on it.
 
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