Proof God Exists: Here is my 11-Step Logical Proof. Enjoy.

Night_Ranger · Jan 23, 2020

NWO_Spook said:
I don't believe that for a moment. Please note para. 3 in the following link:

Introduction to Human Evolution | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program

Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa -- chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas -- share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa.

This was a snip from their website.

NWO_Spook · Jan 23, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
This was a snip from their website.

'Originated from ape-like' (primate) is not the same as 'evolved from apes'. The Smithsonian link I supplied clearly supports my original response to your erroneous claim.

Night_Ranger · Jan 23, 2020

NWO_Spook said:
'Originated from ape-like' (primate) is not the same as 'evolved from apes'. The Smithsonian link I supplied clearly supports my original response to your erroneous claim.

Sure it's the same.

So humans didn't evolve from Homininae or Hominidae?

Non human primates can be described as ape like

Taken from Wikipedia:

Traditionally, the English-language vernacular name "apes" does not include humans, but phylogenetically, humans (Homo) form part of the Hominidae family within Hominoidae. Thus, there are at least three common, or traditional, uses of the term "ape": non-specialists may not distinguish between "monkeys" and "apes", that is, they may use the two terms interchangeably; or they may use "ape" for any tailless monkey or non-human hominoid; or they may use the term "ape" to just mean the non-human hominoids.

Digger · Jan 23, 2020

Quag said:
1. I am not an atheist
2. I have never tried to silence Christians.
3. Pointing out that your posts are designed to attack Christianity by being atrociously bad is not even an attempt to silence you an anti Christian

I have wondered if Mashmont is a satirical troll. In the end it doesn't matter. If it is satire, it is good enough to be indistinguishable from that which it imitates. There really are people out there making arguments like this. And they really are this dumb.

Masterhawk · Jan 23, 2020

Mashmont said:
It's corollary is "If you are trustworthy in small things, you are trustworthy in large". That comes from the Bible, and it is very true.

What if you're trustworthy in one field but not so much in another? For example, maybe you're a trustworthy person to hire but aren't the most faithful person in your marriage (or vice versa).

distraff · Jan 23, 2020

Mashmont said:
There are a few postulates which must be accepted on their face. Here is my proof.

So your proof has a bunch of assumptions that require faith? Its not a proof then.

1. Postulate #1: A wise person is a good (virtuous) person.

Any evidence that objective good exists or what is objectively good? Maybe being good can be harmful and its wise to be a little bad and selfish sometimes. I've known some people full of wisdom who also did some majorly crummy things.

and a good person is a wise person.

I know some amazing people who aren't so smart and aren't so good with decisions.

2. Postulate #2: If a person is good (virtuous) in one area, he is good across the board.

I know some very honest people with very bad tempers. Not true.

3 Therefore, if a person is wise in one area, he is wise across the board.

I know some people who are wise when it comes to dealing with people, but not so wise with money.

4. Postulate: #3 Wisdom is Truth.

Yeah, sure. But only in the areas you are wise in. See my rebuttals of #2 and #3.

5 Postulate #4: A canonized saint of the Catholic Church is a person who is universally recognized by the majority to have been a very good person in life.

Ad populum fallacy, the majority is wrong a lot. Mother Teresa purposely made those in her care live in squalor to build their character. There are a lot of controversial "Saints" out there.

6 Postulate #5: Canonized saints by definition, were very devout believers in God.

Can't really argue against this one since the Catholic Church only canonizes devout catholics.

7 Since canonized saints are universally recognized as very good people, then by postulate #1, they are very wise people.

See refutation of #1.

8. Since canonized saints are very wise people, by Postulate #2, they are very wise people in all areas, across the board.

See refutation of #2.

9 Therefore, it is very wise to believe in God, since canonized saints were devout believers in God.

Since saints are good, therefore they are wise, and they are wise in all areas, and they believe in God, so we should too. Nice logic. Now what if I find some good non-believers?

10. And since wisdom is truth by Postulate #3 believing in God is wise and therefore the truth
11. Therefore it is true God exists.[/b]

See my above rebuttals.

distraff · Jan 23, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
Sure it's the same.

So humans didn't evolve from Homininae or Hominidae?

Non human primates can be described as ape like

Taken from Wikipedia:

We humans belong to the family hominidea. We didn't just evolve from them, we are them. We are apes, and we evolved from other apes. But just not modern apes. The apes we evolved from are long dead and are also the ancestors of modern apes.

NWO_Spook · Jan 23, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
Sure it's the same.

So humans didn't evolve from Homininae or Hominidae?

Non human primates can be described as ape like

Taken from Wikipedia:

Goal post shift noted. Clearly I made a distinction between 'primate' and 'ape'-this should have told you that I wasn't using the term generally, but specifically. Now, shall we refer back to the stupid meme you posted?

distraff · Jan 23, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
Let me guess, you think human's evolved from apes?

How's that for stupidity?

The millions of transitionals are below your feet in the ground. We dig up more of their bones every day. Turns out we wiped out all our close relatives. They were competing for the exact same resources we were in the African Savannah, and they just couldn't compete. We missed the last neanderthals and homo erectus by a few dozen thousand years because they got wiped out as we spread into Europe and Asia. The chimpanzees live in the trees, not on the ground, so we aren't directly competing with them, and thats why they are still here. However, chimpanzees and gorillas are also heading toward extinction thanks for our habit of deforestation and ape eating. We are just too good at wiping other species out.

NWO_Spook · Jan 23, 2020

For those who deploy their ignorance of the theory of evolution as evidence against those sceptical of the supernatural, let us suppose that said theory is erroneous (which it isn't), how would this be evidence for the existence of a god, or creator?

marke · Jan 23, 2020

Manc Skipper said:
Proof that "2" is false. The person setting up a food bank for hungry prisoners is a mass murderer.

'''Angel of Death''' nurse jailed for murdering four people with injections '''launches food bank inside prison'''

Educated Darwinist geniuses just 'know' God does not exist because they cannot see or smell Him and because science 'proves' to them that an undetected massive explosion of unknown cause or origin which spanned trillions of miles across the entire universe created the entire ordered and orderly universe in a moment from nothing without God's help.

Manc Skipper · Jan 23, 2020

marke said:
Educated Darwinist geniuses just 'know' God does not exist because they cannot see or smell Him and because science 'proves' to them that an undetected massive explosion of unknown cause or origin which spanned trillions of miles across the entire universe created the entire ordered and orderly universe in a moment from nothing without God's help.

Educated people no longer need Gods to explain what they don't understand.

JustHanging · Jan 23, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
Let me guess, you think human's evolved from apes?

How's that for stupidity?

That would be a good way of describing people who, with virtually no scientific background, think they know more than the tens of thousands of scientists who have dedicated their lives to learning science.

How would you describe them?

Quag · Jan 23, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
Let me guess, you think human's evolved from apes?

How's that for stupidity?

No that is something ignorant religious extremists claim about evolution

Quag · Jan 23, 2020

Mashmont said:
Why should an atheist like you care?

I am not an atheist. As to why I ask, I am just curious why you are so full of hatred

Quag · Jan 23, 2020

Digger said:
I have wondered if Mashmont is a satirical troll. In the end it doesn't matter. If it is satire, it is good enough to be indistinguishable from that which it imitates. There really are people out there making arguments like this. And they really are this dumb.

The term is POE

RAMOSS · Jan 23, 2020

Night_Ranger said:
This was a snip from their website.

AH. I see you can't read english. "Apelike' is not ape. Words matter.

Mashmont · Jan 23, 2020

Quag said:
I am not an atheist. As to why I ask, I am just curious why you are so full of hatred

Why would an atheist like you consider hatred a problem?

Quag · Jan 23, 2020

Mashmont said:
Why would an atheist like you consider hatred a problem?

I am not an atheist, but now I'm curious why you think atheists shouldn't consider hatred a problem

bongsaway · Jan 23, 2020

Praxas said:
Do you guys get together just to regurgitate the same nonsense. Already debunked numerous times and proves that you just copy other people's work.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/beliefs-and-skepticism/373366-proof-god.html?highlight=proof

These folks post this stuff to remind us how much christianity is under attack.

Don't attack our god but on the other hand we'll constantly be trying to shove him, her, it down your throats.

Mashmont · Jan 23, 2020

distraff said:
So your proof has a bunch of assumptions that require faith? Its not a proof then.

Any evidence that objective good exists or what is objectively good? Maybe being good can be harmful and its wise to be a little bad and selfish sometimes. I've known some people full of wisdom who also did some majorly crummy things.

I know some amazing people who aren't so smart and aren't so good with decisions.

I know some very honest people with very bad tempers. Not true.

I know some people who are wise when it comes to dealing with people, but not so wise with money.

Yeah, sure. But only in the areas you are wise in. See my rebuttals of #2 and #3.

Ad populum fallacy, the majority is wrong a lot. Mother Teresa purposely made those in her care live in squalor to build their character. There are a lot of controversial "Saints" out there.

Can't really argue against this one since the Catholic Church only canonizes devout catholics.

See refutation of #1.

See refutation of #2.

Since saints are good, therefore they are wise, and they are wise in all areas, and they believe in God, so we should too. Nice logic. Now what if I find some good non-believers?

See my above rebuttals.

I. These postulates don't require faith. they just require simple logic and basic understand of how things work.
2. I define 'good' as intentionally doing the best for the most people with that goal in mind., with regard for self as secondary or non-existent.
3. Good people are inherently wise. Because to do good is the best outcome for the most people, and that is always the wise thing to do. This is common sense logic, ergo a postulate to be accepted on its face.
4. Your rebuttal makes no sense, has no bearing with the claim.
5. Whenever people criticize Mother Teresa, I know they are following atheist talking points and not looking at her actual deeds. And so this one is dismissed.
9. Your challenge is to find the atheist counterpart to a canonized saint, i.e. someone who is universally revered who lived among the people he served. You can't do it. Nobody has.

Another run-of-the-mill weak rebuttal based primarily on atheist talking points and illogic.

Next?

Quag · Jan 23, 2020

Mashmont said:
I. These postulates don't require faith. they just require simple logic and basic understand of how things work.
2. I define 'good' as intentionally doing the best for the most people with that goal in mind., with regard for self as secondary or non-existent.
3. Good people are inherently wise. Because to do good is the best outcome for the most people, and that is always the wise thing to do. This is common sense logic, ergo a postulate to be accepted on its face.
4. Your rebuttal makes no sense, has no bearing with the claim.
5. Whenever people criticize Mother Teresa, I know they are following atheist talking points and not looking at her actual deeds. And so this one is dismissed.
9. Your challenge is to find the atheist counterpart to a canonized saint, i.e. someone who is universally revered who lived among the people he served. You can't do it. Nobody has.

Another run-of-the-mill weak rebuttal based primarily on atheist talking points and illogic.

Next?

Another run of the mill pathetic attempt to make Christians look like illogical crazies
The proof was nothing more than an attempt to make something even more illogical than anything Angel ever wrote, in Angels defence at least he actually believes his BS

Mashmont · Jan 23, 2020

Quag said:
Another run of the mill pathetic attempt to make Christians look like illogical crazies
The proof was nothing more than an attempt to make something even more illogical than anything Angel ever wrote, in Angels defence at least he actually believes his BS

This proof must be good, because you atheists are spitting mad about it. lol.

Logician Man · Jan 23, 2020

Mashmont said:
This proof must be good, because you atheists are spitting mad about it. lol.

define /// spitting mad about it ///...Details please..Post #s..Names...threads... Thanks...

Mashmont · Jan 23, 2020

Logician Man said:
define /// spitting mad about it ///...Details please..Post #s..Names...threads... Thanks...

See post #922.

Proof God Exists: Here is my 11-Step Logical Proof. Enjoy.

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