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Proof God Exists: Here is my 11-Step Logical Proof. Enjoy.

Mashmont said:
Ladies and gentlemen, a couple of years ago, I devised a logical proof God exists. It is based on the Good Fruits argument, using canonized saints of the Catholic Church, who are universally recognized as great people because they lived among the people they served, and usually endured harsh situations at some point in life. All had strong prayer lives, and daily prayer interaction with God. There are a few postulates which must be accepted on their face. Here is my proof. I hope it will lead a few atheists to conversion back to God.

1. Postulate #1: A wise person is a good (virtuous) person and a good person is a wise person.
2. Postulate #2: If a person is good (virtuous) in one area, he is good across the board.
3 Therefore, if a person is wise in one area, he is wise across the board.
4. Postulate: #3 Wisdom is Truth.
5 Postulate #4: A canonized saint of the Catholic Church is a person who is universally recognized by the majority to have been a very good person in life.
6 Postulate #5: Canonized saints by definition, were very devout believers in God.
7 Since canonized saints are universally recognized as very good people, then by postulate #1, they are very wise people.
8. Since canonized saints are very wise people, by Postulate #2, they are very wise people in all areas, across the board.
9 Therefore, it is very wise to believe in God, since canonized saints were devout believers in God.
10. And since wisdom is truth by Postulate #3 believing in God is wise and therefore the truth
11. Therefore it is true God exists.
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1. good and virtue seem to just be based on what you like wisdom seems to be taking information and using it to maximize what you like and minimize what you don't like

2. people can and often are a mix of good and bad things you like and don't like

3. so being good or wise in one way doesn't mean your good and wise about everything.

4. wisdom works best when its based on truth but its possible to make well thought out decisions based on false information

5. not sure why the approval of most catholics would make something good for anyone else

6. or they just acted in ways you and the god you believe in would approve of and claimed to be believers s but yes probably they believed so what?

7. most chaolics is not universal and not sure being likable means your always wise or that there's nothing disagreeable about you at all

8. wisdom in some things still dosent mean wisdom in all things

9. you still need evidence for the god to exist and it may or may not be good as either a real being or a fictional one believing in god may not have been wise even if people who were wise to do other things belived

10. wisdom is not truth its acting in you own interest base on information preferably acute information and or assumptions you thick are likely to be accurate so believing in god may not be wise or the truth

11. therefore you have not shown god to exist
 
Elvira said:
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
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have some pen show up who can bend reality to ther will


its just no one like that is around
 
blarg said:
have some pen show up who can bend reality to ther will


its just no one like that is around
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If you made any sense whatsoever, I might just talk to you once in awhile but since you don't, I won't...:confused::doh
 
This thread is proof that you can prove anything with the right assumptions. Equating good with wise is a new one and would not be willing to make it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You don’t get it as much anymore these days but many years ago people would repost chain emails they got from family, friends or perhaps church or conservative mailing lists that they thought were epiphanies.

Both strike me as something along those lines.
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Actually,no. This is 100% original by me. But thank you for thinking it's good.
 
Mashmont said:
Here is my proof.
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Absolutely NOTHING that you posted is "proof" of anything other than your own personal delusion.

Mashmont said:
I hope it will lead a few atheists to conversion back to God.
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Not gonna happen because it's perhaps one of the lamest, and most pathetic attempts at exposing "proof" that's been posted here in quite a long time.
 
Tim the plumber said:
This is why it is utter drivel;

Uh, er eh? Not really... just drivel.
Nope. Not at all. Just because you can trust your friend with your money does not mean you can trust him with your wife.
Obviously utterly wrong. Plain stupidity. Just because a person can do high level physics does not mean he can be a good president.
Er, no. Different words have different meanings. Get a grip.
You have never read any history at all have you? See Saint Olaf.
Nope, Saint George was not even Christian.
Never done any sort of thinking at all before have you? This is beyond silly.
Is this for real?
Given utterly stupid people believe in God (well some of them are stupid) it must be a stupid thing to believe? Nope logic does not work that way.

I have seen people on Utube swaying that when they were religious they would say things that were plainly stupid and not be able to recognize that they stufff they were saying was stupid. This takes the biscute though. I think it must be a wind up.
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Heavy on the insults. Light on the rebuttals. That's the atheist way.
But I will comment on number three. Not talking about ability. Talking about judgment and decision making.
 
zyzygy said:
Yesterday (Sept. 23), Pope Francis canonized Junipero Serra, the man who first brought Catholicism to California. The move has sparked controversy because Serra was tied to a system that decimated the population of Native Americans.

But Junipero Serra is far from the most controversial saint out there. Though many people see the saints as a group of supernaturally perfect goody-two-shoes unstained by even the slightest bad deed, the true communion of saints is a motley bunch.

"The saints were not perfect. They're exactly like us," said Thomas Craughwell, the author of "Saints Behaving Badly: The Cutthroats, Crooks, Trollops, Con Men and Devil-Worshippers Who Became Saints". "They committed sins. They had bad habits. They did stupid stuff."


Holy Dream Team? The Most Notorious Catholic Saints | Live Science
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Again, we're talking about the view of the vast majority of rational people; not the few leftist atheist cranks.
 
Elvira said:
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
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There are some people who can change because of logic. Those are the ones I am trying to reach. Even the diehards can change, for nothing is impossible with God.
 
Angel said:
Ingenious.
Of course, those in your target audience who have little or no understanding of virtue or wisdom will not get it. And because they don't get it, they will, as is their wont, jeer.
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Thank you, Angel. I value your opinion.
 
Mashmont said:
There are some people who can change because of logic. Those are the ones I am trying to reach. Even the diehards can change, for nothing is impossible with God.
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Lord Krishna is mighty!
 
Mashmont said:
Ladies and gentlemen, a couple of years ago, I devised a logical proof God exists. It is based on the Good Fruits argument, using canonized saints of the Catholic Church, who are universally recognized as great people because they lived among the people they served, and usually endured harsh situations at some point in life. All had strong prayer lives, and daily prayer interaction with God. There are a few postulates which must be accepted on their face. Here is my proof. I hope it will lead a few atheists to conversion back to God.

1. Postulate #1: A wise person is a good (virtuous) person and a good person is a wise person.
2. Postulate #2: If a person is good (virtuous) in one area, he is good across the board.
3 Therefore, if a person is wise in one area, he is wise across the board.
4. Postulate: #3 Wisdom is Truth.
5 Postulate #4: A canonized saint of the Catholic Church is a person who is universally recognized by the majority to have been a very good person in life.
6 Postulate #5: Canonized saints by definition, were very devout believers in God.
7 Since canonized saints are universally recognized as very good people, then by postulate #1, they are very wise people.
8. Since canonized saints are very wise people, by Postulate #2, they are very wise people in all areas, across the board.
9 Therefore, it is very wise to believe in God, since canonized saints were devout believers in God.
10. And since wisdom is truth by Postulate #3 believing in God is wise and therefore the truth
11. Therefore it is true God exists.
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this "logic" is ridiculous
 
Mashmont said:
Again, we're talking about the view of the vast majority of rational people; not the few leftist atheist cranks.
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WTH?

You've said "Universally" believed, the "Majority" believe, and now the "vast majority" believe. You move the goalposts ever time you talk about the saints.

Any chance you can quit moving them for at least one post?
 
Elvira said:
"For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not, no proof is possible." - Stuart Chase
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Yeah, for some reason gullible people don't like it when other's aren't gullible as well. You'll need evidence to convince any skeptics.
 
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Mashmont said:
There are some people who can change because of logic.
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You've yet to provide anything even remotely resembling "logic". When you find some, try again.

Mashmont said:
Those are the ones I am trying to reach.
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You won't reach anyone with the moronic drivel you've posted in the OP.
Not one.
 
Dragonfly said:
You've yet to provide anything even remotely resembling "logic". When you find some, try again.



You won't reach anyone with the moronic drivel you've posted in the OP.
Not one.
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As we've all pointed out, every statement is it's own example of a logical fallacy, but I think this was meant for the believers. They think it's a piece of brilliance.

Angel said:
Ingenious.
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JustHanging said:
As we've all pointed out, every statement is it's own example of a logical fallacy, but I think this was meant for the believers. They think it's a piece of brilliance.
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As I've said, when some people will believe the earth is flat, and some will believe the Noah & The Ark story is literal fact, it's no wonder there's some who'll believe the tripe in post #1 makes sense.


It's just a good thing there's quite a few others who view it as nothing more than delusional idiocy.
 
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