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Is Donald Trump a false prophet?.....or worse?

CaughtInThe said:
Here's another example of someone who is trying to paint everyone with the same brush.

It's really effect if all people are thought to be as evil as Charlie Manson. That way people who are good, but may have done a bad thing or 2 in their lives, don't have the right to judge Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Unlike those who love to quote the Old Testament and rarely, if ever, actually quote Christ, the Gospel does cite two great instances of judging people; directly in Matthew 7:1 and less directly in John 8:7.

However, it doesn't tell us to follow an unrepentant sinner, liar, sexual predator and conman simply because we should take care in judging others.
 
Rising Sun said:
Anyone besides me notice that RW Christians rarely quote Christ? They'll quote from the OT and from the books outside the Gospel but rarely from the Gospel itself. Anyone want to guess why that is?

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What is "RW" Christians?

Why won't they quote from the Gospel? Why is that? care to explain.....



Here is the video about that statement.







Does that mean he's saying he is a prophet? No.


He is saying, he is the "chosen one" to take on China! :shrug:


Watch the video!
He may be playing with words - using "the "chosen one" to describe himself, but he's definitely not referring to himself as a prophet.

What's wrong about saying he is the chosen one to take on China?
isn't he the sitting ruler of the nation? Wasn't he chosen by the people?
Aren't rulers established by God?

Therefore....right now, in that context...….he is the "chosen" one.


Don't Christians believe we all have a role to play - that God uses us by our own skills, temperament, attitude, education, etc..?
 
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tosca1 said:
What is "RW" Christians?

Why won't they quote from the Gospel? Why is that? care to explain.....



Here is the video about that statement.







Does that mean he's saying he is a prophet? No.


He is saying, he is the "chosen one" to take on China! :shrug:


Watch the video!
He may be playing with words - using "the "chosen one" to describe himself, but he's definitely not referring to himself as a prophet.

What's wrong about saying he is the chosen one to take on China?
isn't he the sitting ruler of the nation? Wasn't he chosen by the people?
Aren't rulers established by God?

Therefore....right now, in that context...….he is the "chosen" one.


Don't Christians believe we all have a role to play - that God uses us by our own skills, temperament, attitude, education, etc..?
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RW Christians.

My guess is because it doesn't fit their agenda.

God And Trump: The Offensive Notion Of Divine Anointment | Americans United for Separation of Church and State
The idea that President Donald Trump was ordained by God to run America is growing in popularity among some Religious Right leaders and Republican Party political operatives.

As noted elsewhere in this issue of Church & State, the concept of a divinely ordained Trump has been embraced by two of the president’s most vociferous evangelical defenders, Franklin Graham and Paula White. Lesser-known figures have also promoted it.

The idea is also popular among Trump’s inner political circle. In February, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Trump’s press secretary, told TV preacher Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), “I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times, and I think that He wanted Donald Trump to become president. That’s why he’s there, and I think he has done a tremendous job in supporting a lot of the things that people of faith really care about.”

A few weeks after that, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo likened Trump to Queen Esther, a character from the Hebrew Bible.

Pompeo was asked by CBN correspondent Chris Mitchell, “Could it be that President Trump right now has been sort of raised for such a time as this, just like Queen Esther, to help save the Jewish people from the Iranian menace?”

Pompeo, who was visiting Israel at the time, replied, “As a Christian, I certainly believe that’s possible.” (The Esther story concerns a young woman who uses her beauty to gain power over a king and foil a plot by one of his advisers to slaughter the Jewish people.)

Trump’s campaign manager, Brad Parscale, is the latest to join the pack. On April 30 he tweeted, “There has never been and probably never will be a movement like this again. Only God could deliver such a savior to our nation, and only God could allow me to help. God bless America!”

The idea of Trump as God’s chosen leader probably alternately amuses and horrifies atheists, but the people it really ought to alarm are Christians. The claim verges on blasphemy.

It’s also dangerous. After all, if Trump is God’s vessel, how dare we mere mortals criticize him, his policies or his actions?
 
tosca1 said:
Indeed, it could be a test to see...………….

.................who doesn't take the teachings of Christ out of context.


It could be a test to see who......manipulates and changes the teachings of Christ to suit a worldly agenda. :shrug:



Refer to my post #15.





1 Peter 2


Living Godly Lives in a Pagan Society


11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from sinful desires, which wage war against your soul.

12 Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.

13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority,

14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.

15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.

16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.

17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.




Titus 3

Saved in Order to Do Good

3 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,

2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.
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Or simply who just hates other humans and is not welcoming to those in need.
 
I just can't believe anybody would consider Donald Trump a prophet, false or otherwise.
 
Superfly said:
Nice cherry-picking of scripture. The Bible also says that lawmakers were put in place by God. Not seeing that in Trump, sorry. Maybe he was put in place by someone else.
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Eh?

Who are the lawmakers in the US system? How are your lawmakers chosen in your system?

Can a President propose and sign any bill in your system?





The Bible is far more concerned with one’s ethics than how they follow the law. There are no places in the Bible where you will find it acceptable to mistreat people, and put children in cages. Christ did not want people mistreated, and understood that not all laws were just.
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It depends on your definition of "mistreatment," isn't it?
Furthermore......God does not see punishments for breaking laws as, "mistreatment."


And, yes.....if you'll read this passage again, you'll see it:



Romans 13

Submission to Governing Authorities

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.
The authorities that exist have been established by God.

2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so
will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority?
Then do what is right and you will be commended.

4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason.
They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.

7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.





They know they're breaking immigration laws. They know they're rebelling against the system of the nation.
Thus, they face the consequence(s) of such wrongdoing. :shrug:


It's plain to see. It's clearly stated in the Scriptures.
You may not agree with the laws - but, you're still expected to respect and follow it....or, face the consequences.
If you buck at the law, you bring judgement to yourself!
 
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Rising Sun said:
RW Christians.
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What is "RW?" I don't get that.

God And Trump: The Offensive Notion Of Divine Anointment | Americans United for Separation of Church and State
The idea that President Donald Trump was ordained by God to run America is growing in popularity among some Religious Right leaders and Republican Party political operatives.

As noted elsewhere in this issue of Church & State, the concept of a divinely ordained Trump has been embraced by two of the president’s most vociferous evangelical defenders, Franklin Graham and Paula White. Lesser-known figures have also promoted it.

The idea is also popular among Trump’s inner political circle. In February, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Trump’s press secretary, told TV preacher Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), “I think God calls all of us to fill different roles at different times, and I think that He wanted Donald Trump to become president. That’s why he’s there, and I think he has done a tremendous job in supporting a lot of the things that people of faith really care about.”

A few weeks after that, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo likened Trump to Queen Esther, a character from the Hebrew Bible.

Pompeo was asked by CBN correspondent Chris Mitchell, “Could it be that President Trump right now has been sort of raised for such a time as this, just like Queen Esther, to help save the Jewish people from the Iranian menace?”

Pompeo, who was visiting Israel at the time, replied, “As a Christian, I certainly believe that’s possible.” (The Esther story concerns a young woman who uses her beauty to gain power over a king and foil a plot by one of his advisers to slaughter the Jewish people.)

Trump’s campaign manager, Brad Parscale, is the latest to join the pack. On April 30 he tweeted, “There has never been and probably never will be a movement like this again. Only God could deliver such a savior to our nation, and only God could allow me to help. God bless America!”

The idea of Trump as God’s chosen leader probably alternately amuses and horrifies atheists, but the people it really ought to alarm are Christians. The claim verges on blasphemy.

It’s also dangerous. After all, if Trump is God’s vessel, how dare we mere mortals criticize him, his policies or his actions?
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We don't know the plans of God.

And, yes....God does use people depending on their abilities, skill, temperament, etc..,
If God had used someone like Queen Esther (who's not considered a prophetess), and King Cyrus (who was a pagan king),
why would it be surprising to assume that God could also use someone from this generation for what He had planned? :shrug:

I don't see anything wrong with Pompeo's answer. It is possible. Some folks refer to Trump as the modern-day Cyrus!


Trump is a modern-day Cyrus the Great'

https://www.israelhayom.com/2018/02/16/trump-is-a-modern-day-cyrus-the-great/


Lol. God's vessel? :lol: like, God possessing and entering a human?
Perhaps, the author of that article should read the Bible.
I think he's confusing "prophet" and...…... "vessel of God," (whatever that means) :roll:...... from being an "instrument" of God.
There is a difference, you know.
 
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tosca1 said:
What is "RW?" I don't get that.




We don't know the plans of God. And, yes....God does use people depending on their abilities, skill, temperament, etc..,
If God had used someone like Queen Esther (who's not considered a prophetess), and King Cyrus (who was a pagan king), why would it be surprising to assume
that God could also use someone from this generation for what He had planned? :shrug:
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Sorry, Right Wing = RW. I meant to answer that the first time but got distracted with breakfast.

Agreed we don't know the plans of God, so it's silly to say Trump has been anointed by God. You post that we can't know God's plans then flip-flop and claim you know God uses "people depending on their abilities, skill, temperament, etc.." Where is that in the Gospel?

What the Gospel does say is this:
Matthew 5:33-37

33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’
34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.
37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
 
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Enthusiastically believing that a crooked, reality-TV idiot is fit to be president of the United States, unquestionably qualifies as derangement.

Yes Virginia, there is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

:cool:
 
CaughtInThe said:
Or simply who just hates other humans and is not welcoming to those in need.
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No. I don't think it's that! You know why?

Because, immigrants are not unwelcomed at all.
They just have to follow the procedures like all the others who had patiently stood in line.

You think it is fair to have total disregard for those who respect and follow the rules, and pull one's self up ahead of everyone?
Like, it's okay to step on those patiently waiting in line? You find that okay?

You don't see anything wrong about a bunch of people who'd decided to hell with the US immigration laws, and all the other applicants following that law...... and enforce their own way of getting into the country?

Something similar is happening in Canada- and I've talked with some immigrants-now-citizens who are fuming at what they say is unfairness
- watching illegal migrants jump the line! They've been waiting for their families to join them in Canada - they've been waiting for years!


I think...... it could be a test to see who can think clearly. :lol:
 
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Marine Electric said:
Enthusiastically believing that a crooked, reality-TV idiot is fit to be president of the United States, unquestionably qualifies as derangement.

Yes Virginia, there is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

:cool:
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Lol. Whether he's a tv idiot or not, is now moot - right?
He's won that election and been President for how many years now?

Can you get over that already? :lol: That's the real TDS. You're not alone, btw.

Imagine how it will be for you guys if he wins again! :lamo
I'm praying for him to win.....just so to satisfy my curiousity what you folks will be doing on that victory night! :mrgreen:
 
Rising Sun said:
Sorry, Right Wing = RW. I meant to answer that the first time but got distracted with breakfast.

Agreed we don't know the plans of God, so it's silly to say Trump has been anointed by God. You post that we can't know God's plans then flip-flop and claim you know God uses "people depending on their abilities, skill, temperament, etc.." Where is that in the Gospel?
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I don't flip-flop. You should read and try to understand.

Pompeo says, IT IS POSSIBLE!

The logic follows that if God had used people from different timelines as instruments to carry out His plans, why wouldn't we assume
that He could be doing it too in our current timeline? Yes, it is possible!

Esther and Cyrus had made a big change during their time! Both held influential positions which isn't unlike the position of a US President
(especially a leader of a nation that's most influential in the world)!


FYI, everyday people are used by God - they may not be used in a grand scale, but they were, and are, instruments of God, nevertheless...………………..
…….to play parts in the fulfillment of His plan(s).






What the Gospel does say is this:
Matthew 5:33-37

33 “Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill to the Lord the vows you have made.’
34 But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.
36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.
37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.
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You've quoted a section that refers to oaths and vows.


What does the Bible say about keeping your vows / oaths?


Psalm 15:4 describes a righteous person as one “who keeps an oath even when it hurts, and does not change their mind.” Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 5 supports this biblical principle. Oaths are binding, even when spoken frivolously or privately as part of everyday conversation.

A promise is a promise, and there is no loophole in God’s eyes to allow a person to renege on an oath.


So, Jesus was not condemning all forms of promises, contracts, or agreements.
Jesus was speaking of the kind of spontaneous vow made when a person says, “I cross my heart and hope to die” or “I swear on a stack of Bibles”
or “I swear on my mother’s life.” Jesus warns against using those types of flippant oaths.


His teaching in Matthew 5 is not meant to discourage careful, thought-out promises, such as wedding vows or a legal contract.

The principle here is clear for Christians: be careful about making vows, either to the Lord or to one another.
The fact that we are prone to errors in judgment means that we may make vows foolishly or out of immaturity.
Further, the informal vows we make (“I swear by all the angels in heaven!”) are completely unnecessary. Our word is our bond.
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Can you explain please, how that relates to what we're discussing.
 
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tosca1 said:
I don't flip-flop. You should read and try to understand.

Pompeo says, IT IS POSSIBLE!

The logic follows that if God had used people from different timelines as instruments to carry out His plans, why wouldn't we assume
that He could be doing it too in our current timeline? Yes, it is possible!

Esther and Cyrus had made a big change during their time! Both held influential positions which isn't unlike the position of a US President
(especially a leader of a nation that's most influential in the world)!


FYI, everyday people are used by God - they may not be used in a grand scale, but they were, and are, instruments of God, nevertheless...………………..
…….to play parts in the fulfillment of His plan(s).









You've quoted a section that refers to oaths and vows.



What does the Bible say about keeping your vows / oaths? | GotQuestions.org



Can you explain please, how that relates to what we're discussing.
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I'm content to let others decide for themselves if they do or don't.

As for Pompeo, he's neither God nor Christ, but since many Trump fans believe he's been anointed by God, "it's possible" they think Pompeo is an anointed one too.
 
tosca1 said:
Lol. Whether he's a tv idiot or not, is now moot - right?
He's won that election...
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Moot? Why is it moot? Is a football game over after the first touchdown?

Trump is an idiot and a criminal, he will be removed from office by impeachment or by the next election because he does not support our constitution, our values or our rule of law. He is an unwitting russian asset.

Crooked Donald reminds me of another "president" that occupied the office after not achieving a popular vote, his name was Adolph Hitler and the entire world never considered his removal to be "moot."

Clearly, you'd have to be deranged to believe that this criminal idiot is good for America.

:2wave:
 
tosca1 said:
No. I don't think it's that! You know why?

Because, immigrants are not unwelcomed at all.
They just have to follow the procedures like all the others who had patiently stood in line.

You think it is fair to have total disregard for those who respect and follow the rules, and pull one's self up ahead of everyone?
Like, it's okay to step on those patiently waiting in line? You find that okay?

You don't see anything wrong about a bunch of people who'd decided to hell with the US immigration laws, and all the other applicants following that law...... and enforce their own way of getting into the country?

Something similar is happening in Canada- and I've talked with some immigrants-now-citizens who are fuming at what they say is unfairness
- watching illegal migrants jump the line! They've been waiting for their families to join them in Canada - they've been waiting for years!


I think...... it could be a test to see who can think clearly. :lol:
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Oh, they are definitely unwelcome by a lot if people. That's why the "Christians" always talk about their crime and disease.
 
Marine Electric said:
Enthusiastically believing that a crooked, reality-TV idiot is fit to be president of the United States, unquestionably qualifies as derangement.

Yes Virginia, there is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

:cool:
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They really don't get the irony of deluded cult members accusing others of being deranged.
 
Does anyone know the name of a real prophet? No biblical prophecy has ever panned out.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
Edgar Cayce
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Edgar Cayce (pronounced Casey) is known as one of America's greatest psychics. His followers maintain that Cayce was able to tap into some sort of higher consciousness, such as a god or the akashic record, to get his "psychic knowledge." He used this "knowledge" to predict that California will slide into the ocean and that New York City will be destroyed in some sort of cataclysm. He predicted that in 1958 the U.S. would discover some sort of death ray used on Atlantis. Cayce is one of the main people responsible for some of the sillier notions about Atlantis, including the idea that the Atlanteans had some sort of Great Crystal. Cayce called the Great Crystal the Tuaoi Stone and said it was a huge cylindrical prism that was used to gather and focus "energy," allowing the Atlanteans to do all kinds of fantastic things. But they got greedy and stupid, tuned up their Crystal to too high a frequency and set off volcanic disturbances that led to the destruction of that ancient world. He made other predictions concerning such things as the Great Depression (that 1933 would be a good year) and the Lindbergh kidnapping (most of it wrong, all of it useless), and that China would be converted to Christianity by 1968. He also claimed to be able see and read auras, but this power was never tested under controlled conditions. However, Edgar Cayce is best known for being a psychic medical diagnostician and psychic reader of past lives.

Edgar Cayce - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com


I know of no Cayce prophesies that panned out.
 
zyzygy said:
Edgar Cayce (pronounced Casey) is known as one of America's greatest psychics. His followers maintain that Cayce was able to tap into some sort of higher consciousness, such as a god or the akashic record, to get his "psychic knowledge." He used this "knowledge" to predict that California will slide into the ocean and that New York City will be destroyed in some sort of cataclysm. He predicted that in 1958 the U.S. would discover some sort of death ray used on Atlantis. Cayce is one of the main people responsible for some of the sillier notions about Atlantis, including the idea that the Atlanteans had some sort of Great Crystal. Cayce called the Great Crystal the Tuaoi Stone and said it was a huge cylindrical prism that was used to gather and focus "energy," allowing the Atlanteans to do all kinds of fantastic things. But they got greedy and stupid, tuned up their Crystal to too high a frequency and set off volcanic disturbances that led to the destruction of that ancient world. He made other predictions concerning such things as the Great Depression (that 1933 would be a good year) and the Lindbergh kidnapping (most of it wrong, all of it useless), and that China would be converted to Christianity by 1968. He also claimed to be able see and read auras, but this power was never tested under controlled conditions. However, Edgar Cayce is best known for being a psychic medical diagnostician and psychic reader of past lives.

Edgar Cayce - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com


I know of no Cayce prophesies that panned out.
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while I'm not a Cayce fanatic there are countless things he claimed and naturally there will be wrong ones, correct ones can also be considered lucky guesses.

I am a little captivated with some of his Atlantis claims.
We have yet to discover where all this advanced tech of thousands of years ago came from, and probably won't until religions are overrided and common sense prevails.
 
How can true prophets and false ones be identified?

True prophets make known their faith in Jesus, but more is required than claiming to preach in his name...

True prophets speak in the name of God, but merely claiming to represent him is not enough...

Ability to perform “great signs,” or “miracles,” is not necessarily proof of a true prophet...

What true prophets foretell comes to pass, but they may not understand just when or how it will be...

The pronouncements of a true prophet promote true worship and are in harmony with God’s revealed will...

True prophets and the false can be recognized by the fruitage manifest in their lives and the lives of those who follow them...

False Prophets — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Yasureoktoo said:
while I'm not a Cayce fanatic there are countless things he claimed and naturally there will be wrong ones, correct ones can also be considered lucky guesses.

I am a little captivated with some of his Atlantis claims.
We have yet to discover where all this advanced tech of thousands of years ago came from, and probably won't until religions are overrided and common sense prevails.
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What? Where?
 
Elvira said:
How can true prophets and false ones be identified?

True prophets make known their faith in Jesus, but more is required than claiming to preach in his name...

True prophets speak in the name of God, but merely claiming to represent him is not enough...

Ability to perform “great signs,” or “miracles,” is not necessarily proof of a true prophet...

What true prophets foretell comes to pass, but they may not understand just when or how it will be...

The pronouncements of a true prophet promote true worship and are in harmony with God’s revealed will...

True prophets and the false can be recognized by the fruitage manifest in their lives and the lives of those who follow them...

False Prophets — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
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A slight disagreement. Prophets profess wisdom, not the future. A prophet can see the way things are going and offer wisdom to avoid it, but they don't know the future.

IMHO, the best way to recognize a false prophet is a person who spreads hate instead of love, divides people instead of uniting them and attacks anyone who disagrees with them.
 
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