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Scientifically Wrong Answers OK, if Religious?

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WTF moment here, for sure.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC

The Ohio House on Wednesday passed the "Student Religious Liberties Act." Under the law, students can't be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs.

Which idiots thought this was a good idea?

Every Republican in the House supported the bill. It now moves to the Republican-controlled Senate.
Oh, THOSE idiots.
 
If ever there was a need for religious skepticism, this is it.

"We can keep our kids dumb as long as they are religiously dumb."

Like I said, a real WTF moment.
 
Ohio education since the god people took over the state's legislature and governorship.

Table 1: Ohio scores on Education Week’s Quality Counts report card
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What’s behind Ohio’s drop in the national Quality Counts ranking? | The Thomas B. Fordham Institute
 
I'm okay with this as far as protecting students from Islamophobic bigotry, but there needs to be a clause to protect the teaching of evolution.
 
I'm okay with this as far as protecting students from Islamophobic bigotry, but there needs to be a clause to protect the teaching of evolution.

I seriously doubt Islamophobic bigotry was even a consideration in this bill. But, I will say that teaching creationism is no different than teaching Bugs ****ing Bunny.
 
I seriously doubt Islamophobic bigotry was even a consideration in this bill. But, I will say that teaching creationism is no different than teaching Bugs ****ing Bunny.
Not just Bugs Bunny but Bugs ****ing Bunny. :shock:

@calamity is seriously miffed this time, folks. Bugs ****ing Bunny.
 
I'm okay with this as far as protecting students from Islamophobic bigotry, but there needs to be a clause to protect the teaching of evolution.

No.

All teaching.

If you disagree that the ocean currents flow between all the oceans of the world, that there is a physical barrier stopping the North Atlantic mixing with the South Atlantic then you should be marked as wrong.
 
Anyone still doubt Republicans are pushing us into a theocracy?
I hope you're being sarcastic or hyperbolic, because if you aren't, you just betrayed a profound ignorance of what a theocracy is in a thread about failing US education standards.
 
Perhaps you can give us a plausible example of a student being "scientifically wrong" in a belief--due to religious reasons--that will have a negative (and meaningful) impact on their career.


Post hoc fallacy.

Believing that there was a wrold flood means that you are too stupid to be any sort of hydrologist. Your understanding of rivers is not as good as it should be. A world flood would have left massive evidence in ever simgle river valley. That it is not there, and that there is clear evidence of how the river has shaped the valley over time, should inform anybody with an understanding of river errosion and deposition that there has never been such an event.
 
I hope you're being sarcastic or hyperbolic, because if you aren't, you just betrayed a profound ignorance of what a theocracy is in a thread about failing US education standards.

due to the impact of theocratic thinking.
 
I hope you're being sarcastic or hyperbolic, because if you aren't, you just betrayed a profound ignorance of what a theocracy is in a thread about failing US education standards.
I'm quite serious. I've been watching the encroachment of theocratic underpinnings in public governance for quite a while. This is just the latest.
 
I hope you're being sarcastic or hyperbolic, because if you aren't, you just betrayed a profound ignorance of what a theocracy is in a thread about failing US education standards.

How dare education encroach on religion :roll:
 
Perhaps you can give us a plausible example of a student being "scientifically wrong" in a belief--due to religious reasons

Question: How old is the Earth?
Answer: 6000 years old.

Is that correct or is that wrong?


-that will have a negative (and meaningful) impact on their career.

So is that the only measure of proper education we should go by? How might it impact their career?
How do you determine what career a child might have so as to then completely tailor the entire grading spectrum to that one choice?
And then what happens when the kid changes his/her mind?

Or suppose the kid says he/she just wants to be a professional gamer? Do they get a free pass on all educational material at that point?
 
Believing that there was a wrold flood means that you are too stupid to be any sort of hydrologist. Your understanding of rivers is not as good as it should be. A world flood would have left massive evidence in ever simgle river valley. That it is not there, and that there is clear evidence of how the river has shaped the valley over time, should inform anybody with an understanding of river errosion and deposition that there has never been such an event.
So... belief in a world flood renders one unable to find aquifers, run GIS software, manage water supplies, and analyze precipitation.

Thank you for your insights.

I'm quite serious. I've been watching the encroachment of theocratic underpinnings in public governance for quite a while. This is just the latest.
Again: you don't even know what a theocracy is--not even in the same universe--if you're likening token nods to religious students to the theocracies of this world, past and present.

I can't say I blame you. Without tying "kids can dispute evolution today" to "theocracy tomorrow", who would give a snow leopard's fuzzy white arse about it, right?

So is that the only measure of proper education we should go by? How might it impact their career?
How do you determine what career a child might have so as to then completely tailor the entire grading spectrum to that one choice?
And then what happens when the kid changes his/her mind?
Students should be required to provide the curriculum-approved answer on exams, etc. I don't agree with the board decision to permit answers the organization itself (the school) deems factually incorrect, so long as the questions don't intersect moral issues, e.g. "T/F: people are born homosexual?", which public schools have absolutely no business asking in the first place.

When in Rome, answer as the Romans do. Concerned parents should teach critical thinking to their kids at home: which answers hold up, which have gaps, what does scripture say and not say, etc.

Having said all this, I mention the career aspect because I can't rightly count the number of times I've heard the Dragonflies of the world erroneously heap every flaw, failing, and insufficiently of the US education system on "religious teaching", "dogmatic thinking", etc. This despite the fact that any reasonable person can see the religious/secular clash boils down to a tiny handful of contentions that have precisely zero impact on the careers, success, or performance of 99.999% of students (and I'm probably short some 9's there).

In short: get another scapegoat for your crummy public education system.
 
I hope you're being sarcastic or hyperbolic, because if you aren't, you just betrayed a profound ignorance of what a theocracy is in a thread about failing US education standards.

Do you think this bill will help US education standards?
 
Students should be required to provide the curriculum-approved answer on exams, etc. I don't agree with the board decision to permit answers the organization itself (the school) deems factually incorrect,

We're in full agreement.

The rest of your diatribe was wasted effort. I was simply responding to your one post. Nothing else.
 
As I understand, this pertains to evolution?

How would someone's non-belief in evolution (due to religious belief), impact you?

Where will it end? People can now claim a religious exemption for anything that is taught
 
WTF moment here, for sure.

Ohio House passes bill allowing student answers to be scientifically wrong due to religion | WKRC



Which idiots thought this was a good idea?


Oh, THOSE idiots.


The National Academy of Sciences also says:

…………………. many scientists, hold that God created the universe and the various processes driving physical and biological evolution and that these processes then resulted in the creation of galaxies, our solar system, and life on Earth.

This belief, which sometimes is termed 'theistic evolution,' is not in disagreement with scientific explanations of evolution.

Indeed, it reflects the remarkable and inspiring character of the physical universe revealed by cosmology, paleontology, molecular biology, and many other scientific disciplines."
WMAP Site FAQs



There ya go!

The NAS didn't say those scientists are scientifically wrong for believing in creation by God!


:lol:



So......

…...how can the student be "SCIENTIFICALLY" wrong if he believes in Creation by God?
 
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Perhaps you can give us a plausible example of a student being "scientifically wrong" in a belief--due to religious reasons--that will have a negative (and meaningful) impact on their career.


Post hoc fallacy.

Nah, not a post hoc, given the evidence that we have on hand.

You should really familiarize yourself with it. This might be easier that way.
 
My kids were smart enough to know what they believed and yet give the correct answers to satisfy the teacher for the highest grade...they understood the difference...
 
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