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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

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    Chapters like Deuteronomy were written before anyone associated YHWH with the followers of Jesus Christ.
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    I accept your concession
    Correct...I don't match wits with unarmed people, such as yourself...it's just not a fair match...
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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Correct...I don't match wits with unarmed people, such as yourself...it's just not a fair match...
    Good. To sum up....the bible commands Christian's to kill unbelievers in gods name

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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

    Quote Originally Posted by stevecanuck View Post
    Name one miracle Mohamed performed according to the Qur'an. Come on, you can do it.
    Could you explain what difference the performance of miracles makes in a religion and why there is an argument about it?

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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Could you explain what difference the performance of miracles makes in a religion and why there is an argument about it?
    It's a matter of credibility. If a supposed prophet can claim a miracle was performed either by him or for him, then it's pretty easy to claim that divine intervention was the cause and that he and God are buds.
    - See something, say something, get called an Islamophobe.
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    - Legitimate criticism is neither hate speech, phobic, nor incitement to commit violence.
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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

    Quote Originally Posted by vegas giants View Post
    Good. To sum up....the bible commands Christian's to kill unbelievers in gods name
    Where does the bible command Christians to kill unbelievers.

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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

    Quote Originally Posted by Yasureoktoo View Post
    Where does the bible command Christians to kill unbelievers.
    Let's examine our trusty Christian bible for a moment by taking a look at Deuteronomy 17:

    If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
    Fairly clear, isn't it? A book, claimed by many to be "holy" in some way, instructs people to murder persons who do not believe in their god. Why haven't we heard more about this? Because many Christians are content to ignore certain parts of their bible while obsessing about others (i.e., cherry picking). And what of those who do not ignore such parts of their "sacred" text? We call them extremists...or worse.
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    "Because the right isn't hate-filled."

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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Let's examine our trusty Christian bible for a moment by taking a look at Deuteronomy 17:

    If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
    Fairly clear, isn't it? A book, claimed by many to be "holy" in some way, instructs people to murder persons who do not believe in their god. Why haven't we heard more about this? Because many Christians are content to ignore certain parts of their bible while obsessing about others (i.e., cherry picking). And what of those who do not ignore such parts of their "sacred" text? We call them extremists...or worse.
    Bible Commands Christians to Kill Nonbelievers
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    If the NT did not have Jesus saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", you would have a valid point. But he did say it, and with that abrogated Deuteronomy.

    I know the whole point of the endless whataboutism that comes up when discussing Islam is to draw a parallel between two 'similar' holy books, and to therefore claim that both Muslim and Christian can simply pick the bits they like and discard the rest. And that would indeed be a valid and logical comparison, except for one thing. That line of reasoning is based on the two books actually being similar, and they are nothing alike. It's hard to explain just how different they are to someone who has never studied the Qur'an. The first time I read it I was gob-smacked at the sheer hatred of infidels that exists from cover to cover. It's not a story book. It's a diatribe. It's an endless fire and brimstone rant by a hated-filled God who eventually preaches warfare against "al kafarina". It separates the world into two warring camps. I don't know how to get that fact across to people who refuse to listen.
    - See something, say something, get called an Islamophobe.
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    Re: Mohamed's ironic expectation

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Let's examine our trusty Christian bible for a moment by taking a look at Deuteronomy 17:

    If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
    Fairly clear, isn't it? A book, claimed by many to be "holy" in some way, instructs people to murder persons who do not believe in their god. Why haven't we heard more about this? Because many Christians are content to ignore certain parts of their bible while obsessing about others (i.e., cherry picking). And what of those who do not ignore such parts of their "sacred" text? We call them extremists...or worse.
    Bible Commands Christians to Kill Nonbelievers
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    LOLOL

    Deuteronomy was written long before Christians were invented.

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