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Mohamed's ironic expectation

Tabari VI:66

"Umar said, 'By Allah I was by one of the idols of the Jahiliyyah. An Arab sacrificed a calf to it, and we were waiting for it to be divided up in order to receive a share. I heard coming from the belly of the calf a voice which was more penetrating than any I've heard. The dead calf's belly said, 'There is no ilah but Allah.'"
 
stevecanuck said:
Ok, just one more, then I'm done.

The reception of the Qur'an was a miracle done TO Mohamed, not BY Mohamed.
The rest of that unbelievably absurd list are tall tales and are NOT part of Islamic scripture.

Again, NOTHING in Islamic scripture ascribes the performance of a miracle to Mohamed.
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There are weird feats of magic by Muhammed in the sunnah, and the writings of the Companions of Muhammed.

Lots of problems here though.
The first time in recorded history muhammed is mentioned, ( And It isn't even him) is 60 years after the fact.
The next is in the sirat Rasuall Allah by Ibn ishaq. 125 years after the fact.

It no longer exists, 4/5th of it was lost, and was re written by Ibn Hussan 60 years later.
The Companions of muhammed, supposedly people who knew him, were actually written between the 10th and 12th century.
Bukhari is 300 years too late.

These afterthoughts are written by very superstitious. people. in an environment where almost everyone is illiterate.
 
Yasureoktoo said:
So you have no reference, this is common in the re-written stories.

I am looking for book and verse number, so I can look it up.
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You are on the internet. Nobody is going to give you page numbers from a book.
 
RobertU said:
You are on the internet. Nobody is going to give you page numbers from a book.
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Not page numbers, book and verse numbers. Funny, I always give that info when I quote Muhammed.

There are only 2 sources on planet Earth for that information.
If you get it from a 21st century book report without actual verses, it is not correct.

I don't want page numbers from a modern book, I want the original writings.

Do you think groups like ISIS use these modern book reports.
 
stevecanuck said:
You mean surah 54?

54: 1 - The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].
54: 2 - And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, "Passing magic."

So, where's the bit that said Mohamed did it?
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Every Muslim I know is familiar with the story. That seems to refer to it, but not the whole story
 
SheWolf said:
Every Muslim I know is familiar with the story. That seems to refer to it, but not the whole story
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Now is where you nail down.
where did you get that information.

I have never met, online or in person, a Muslim who admits to reading about Muhammed from the actual sources.
Most don't even know what they are.

But there are plenty of make-believe, books for the westerners.
 
stevecanuck said:
There was nothing like tuning water into wine are healing the lame. Big difference.
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He flew on a winged horse to heaven.

How much more miraclie can it get?
 
JustHanging said:
He flew on a winged horse to heaven.

How much more miraclie can it get?
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except he was never in Jerusalem, and Ashia said he never left the house.

Aisha, Muhammad’s favorite wife, later insisted that it was not a physical journey (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 265) and there has always been controversy within Islam about whether it was supposed to have been a physical or "spiritual" visit.
 
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stevecanuck said:
ALL religions are silly myths. How does that make me a hypocrite?
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You discount the koran, but the bible is also baloney. There are no supernatural miracles.
 
stevecanuck said:
Ok, just one more, then I'm done.

The reception of the Qur'an was a miracle done TO Mohamed, not BY Mohamed.
The rest of that unbelievably absurd list are tall tales and are NOT part of Islamic scripture.

Again, NOTHING in Islamic scripture ascribes the performance of a miracle to Mohamed.
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Nah, but it's fun to watch you so enraged impotent hatred of Islam that you have to pretend that your assertion about miracles is correct, even after it's been demonstrated that it's not.

Always a pleasure to set you straight.

You're most welcome!
 
beefheart said:
You discount the koran, but the bible is also baloney. There are no supernatural miracles.
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They are all baloney.

Extremist Christians are annoying.
Extremist Muslims kill people.
 
stevecanuck said:
There was nothing like tuning water into wine are healing the lame. Big difference.
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Can you show us some evidence of that? You don't hold Christianity to the same standard you hold Islam. When you treat religious with equal skepticism you'll see there's no factual basis for any of them.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Can you show us some evidence of that? You don't hold Christianity to the same standard you hold Islam. When you treat religious with equal skepticism you'll see there's no factual basis for any of them.
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You didn't understand what I meant.

I'm saying that the bible ascribes miracles to Jesus, whereas the Qur'an does not ascribe miracles to Mohamed.
 
Elvira said:
Quite a dispute among scholars about his so called miracles...about the only thing they're sure of is Muhammad heard voices...
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Similar to how there have always been disputes among scholars when it comes to Jesus.

EXACTLY. THE. SAME.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Incorrect. People do believe that Mohamed performed miracles.

Miracles of Muhammad - Wikipedia

EXACTLY. THE. SAME.


OM
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How about trying something new and respond to what I actually said. Allow me to clarify for you.

Miracles ascribed to Jesus appear in the bible.

NO miracles ascribed to Mohamed appear in the Qur'an. That stupid list is just a bunch of Billy-the-Kid legend that is NOT in the Qur'an.

If you want to continue this, you'll have to quote the Qur'an for me and rub my nose in it. Otherwise, I'm out.
 
stevecanuck said:
Nothing in the Qur'an says Mohamed performed a miracle. In fact, it explicitly says he does NOT perform miracles, and that people have to believe him out of pure faith.
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Where does it explicitly say that? Here is what I got in my search:

Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam,[Note 1][2] is reported to have performed during his lifetime, miracles, or supernatural acts, according to the Quran (the central religious text of Islam), hadith (records of the words, actions, and silent approval, traditionally attributed to Muhammad), and biographies of Muḥammad. ..several miracles are reported in the Quran.
Miracles of Muhammad - Wikipedia
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Omega Man said:
Similar to how there have always been disputes among scholars when it comes to Jesus.

EXACTLY. THE. SAME.


OM
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LOLOL

It's amazing how when someone contests Islam, the people jump up and compare it to Christianity.
Make an excuse, look what Christians do.
There are thousands of religions and an endless supply of excuses if you are going to compare them.

sorry to burst your bubble, but that is another religion entirely.

You will never see a discussion on Christianity, and someone jump up with an answer, "but the Muslims do this".
 
stevecanuck said:
You didn't understand what I meant.

I'm saying that the bible ascribes miracles to Jesus, whereas the Qur'an does not ascribe miracles to Mohamed.
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Miracles were attributed to all sorts of holy figures in the ancient world. Does their presence or absence make them more credible?
 
stevecanuck said:
How about trying something new and respond to what I actually said. Allow me to clarify for you.

Miracles ascribed to Jesus appear in the bible.

NO miracles ascribed to Mohamed appear in the Qur'an. That stupid list is just a bunch of Billy-the-Kid legend that is NOT in the Qur'an.

If you want to continue this, you'll have to quote the Qur'an for me and rub my nose in it. Otherwise, I'm out.
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Again, incorrect. And I notice that an entire list has been provided for you, but you flippantly cast them aside with a wave of your hand. Intellectual dishonesty appears to be your strong suit.


OM
 
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