Atheist / Theist Reconciliation Thread

[Daisy]

I thought Hell was separation from God?

Is that not what death/the grave is?

 

[Daisy]

And we all end up in hell. So hell is nothing to be afraid of because not existing is nothing to be afraid of. Why call it hell?

HELL

A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew sheʼohlʹ and the Greek haiʹdes. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from sheʼohlʹ 31 times and from haiʹdes 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since sheʼohlʹ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version sheʼohlʹ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

Hell — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

Old English hel, hell, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch hel and German Hölle, from an Indo-European root meaning ‘to cover or hide’.

from google search

 

[rwee2000]

To prevent crime, there would have to be a change in humanity. It is ingrained in so many. Any prevention is to be desired, or do you also dispute this logic?

As for using Chicago police statistics, Chicago is the prime source for corruption and misinformation and has been for many years. Yet you want to accept anything that they tell you rather than doing the research yourself. A blind follower, as I suspected all along. Easier, as you do not have to think for yourself.

So not only are you saying you were wrong about laws preventing crime, thus admitting I was right. But I can also show, from independent sources that crimes occur. IE Newspapers, victims (I have been a victim and know people who have committed crimes) so I have not only done research, but have experienced it myself.

 

[Arjay81]

So not only are you saying you were wrong about laws preventing crime, thus admitting I was right. But I can also show, from independent sources that crimes occur. IE Newspapers, victims (I have been a victim and know people who have committed crimes) so I have not only done research, but have experienced it myself.

Once again you show your deceit and ignorance.

You claim something that never happened and make a ignorant decision that it (your imagination) is providing you with actual facts. Then go on to admit that you have not done the research and have no facts to back you up. Can you see now that makes you look? You rank high on the hypocrite scale.

 

[rwee2000]

Once again you show your deceit and ignorance.

You claim something that never happened and make a ignorant decision that it (your imagination) is providing you with actual facts. Then go on to admit that you have not done the research and have no facts to back you up. Can you see now that makes you look? You rank high on the hypocrite scale.

While I hate to feed a troll, this is too much fun. You in fact have admitted laws don't prevent crime. I can pointed you to the facts, which were gathered by independent police department. Of course you'll say since I did gather them myself it doesn't count as X group is corrupt (which you have said) or the BOP stats BOP Statistics: Inmate Offenses show what crimes people have committed won't convince you.

So keep in your imaginary world, (pet the unicorns for me will you?)

 

[Arjay81]

While I hate to feed a troll, this is too much fun. You in fact have admitted laws don't prevent crime. I can pointed you to the facts, which were gathered by independent police department. Of course you'll say since I did gather them myself it doesn't count as X group is corrupt (which you have said) or the BOP stats BOP Statistics: Inmate Offenses show what crimes people have committed won't convince you.

So keep in your imaginary world, (pet the unicorns for me will you?)

Just to point out how wrong you are, again, I know of many fellow vets who would have killed without any remorse if the law had not restricted them from doing so.

BTW, calling someone a troll is against the rules here, but as you continue to demonstrate you ignore any rule (or law) that you wish just because you think you are above them. Hope you rot.

 

[Digger]

I knew this thread was gonna be full of people not reconciling.

 

[rwee2000]

Just to point out how wrong you are, again, I know of many fellow vets who would have killed without any remorse if the law had not restricted them from doing so.

BTW, calling someone a troll is against the rules here, but as you continue to demonstrate you ignore any rule (or law) that you wish just because you think you are above them. Hope you rot.

Well, I tend to call it as I see it. It's clear that's what you're doing, you posted things that I PROVED were wrong, then going on a tangent. So congrats, but also notice the rule didn't stop me, just like a law doesn't stop someone. (yes I got a warning). So rather than keep on feeding you as fun as it is. I'll move on to better topics.

 

[Arjay81]

Well, I tend to call it as I see it. It's clear that's what you're doing, you posted things that I PROVED were wrong, then going on a tangent. So congrats, but also notice the rule didn't stop me, just like a law doesn't stop someone. (yes I got a warning). So rather than keep on feeding you as fun as it is. I'll move on to better topics.

Mo0ve on to topics where you have any credibility at all?

Where are you going to find any of those? Besides, you ruin any topic you interfere with by supplying your own silliness as an alleged fact.

BTW, do you drive 100 mph in a school one? No? Why, because it is against the law and you fear the punishment. Just one example of your hypocrisy.

Additional BTW, you really should learn not to interfere with you betters as it always show how inept you truly are.

 

[rwee2000]

Mo0ve on to topics where you have any credibility at all?

Where are you going to find any of those? Besides, you ruin any topic you interfere with by supplying your own silliness as an alleged fact.

BTW, do you drive 100 mph in a school one? No? Why, because it is against the law and you fear the punishment. Just one example of your hypocrisy.

Additional BTW, you really should learn not to interfere with you betters as it always show how inept you truly are.

Just because I choose to follow a law, doesn't mean it would stop me from breaking it. It's not that I fear punishment, it because I don't want to take the life of a child. My since of morality isn't law. I find it funny how you say my hypocrisy, when you first claim that laws stop people then admit later how they don't. How you want facts, but when presented with facts claim such and such source isn't reliable, then when presented with facts from the source claim that those fact are also unreliable since I didn't personally gather them, and when I have facts I personally have gathers as a crime victim, and as someone who know people who have committed crimes, suddenly changes the subject.

What funny is in my state there are MANY times people ignore stops signs (mainly do to weather conditions and location where stopping a car would mean it would be stuck) notice the law didn't stop them. I also see many people speeding in a school zone, and breaking other traffic laws (speeding is a good example) so tell me again how a LAW is stopping people.

 

[Arjay81]

Just because I choose to follow a law, doesn't mean it would stop me from breaking it. It's not that I fear punishment, it because I don't want to take the life of a child. My since of morality isn't law. I find it funny how you say my hypocrisy, when you first claim that laws stop people then admit later how they don't. How you want facts, but when presented with facts claim such and such source isn't reliable, then when presented with facts from the source claim that those fact are also unreliable since I didn't personally gather them, and when I have facts I personally have gathers as a crime victim, and as someone who know people who have committed crimes, suddenly changes the subject.

What funny is in my state there are MANY times people ignore stops signs (mainly do to weather conditions and location where stopping a car would mean it would be stuck) notice the law didn't stop them. I also see many people speeding in a school zone, and breaking other traffic laws (speeding is a good example) so tell me again how a LAW is stopping people.

Actually, you present a problem of law enforcement. Because you didn't get caught does not mean that you should not get caught and punished.

You claim a higher moral standard is above the law. Try to break it by approaching a public official and threatening him. Try breaking a prisoner out of jail. Those take no life yet you do not participate in them. Another example of your hypocrisy.

The more y0ou squirm, the deeper you entrench yourself in your delusions.

Another example of hypocrisy is you stating that you are moving on, yet here you remain, babbling about your self deluded superiority while proving just the opposite.

 

[RAMOSS]

Well, I tend to call it as I see it. It's clear that's what you're doing, you posted things that I PROVED were wrong, then going on a tangent. So congrats, but also notice the rule didn't stop me, just like a law doesn't stop someone. (yes I got a warning). So rather than keep on feeding you as fun as it is. I'll move on to better topics.

There are quite of few things you claimed that you have not proven wrong. Argument from assertion is not proving anything

 

[rwee2000]

There are quite of few things you claimed that you have not proven wrong. Argument from assertion is not proving anything

So you contend that FBI stats, Chicago PD stats, aren't proof?

 

[RAMOSS]

So you contend that FBI stats, Chicago PD stats, aren't proof?

How does that prove anything? Your argument is weak. Your argument is that laws do not prevent any, not all. You are doing a leap of logic that is not supportable.

 

[rwee2000]

How does that prove anything? Your argument is weak. Your argument is that laws do not prevent any, not all. You are doing a leap of logic that is not supportable.

No that wasn't my claim, it was someone else's claim the laws prevent crime, given that we have a LARGE number of people who do break the law, to say a law stops crime is not supported.

 

[RAMOSS]

No that wasn't my claim, it was someone else's claim the laws prevent crime, given that we have a LARGE number of people who do break the law, to say a law stops crime is not supported.

Now, this is what is known as a straw man. The claim is 'reduces crime'..although technically is the actions that were made illegal. So, you are basing your arguments on a huge straw man.

 

[Yasureoktoo]

No that wasn't my claim, it was someone else's claim the laws prevent crime, given that we have a LARGE number of people who do break the law, to say a law stops crime is not supported.

Actually laws create crime.
If there were no laws, nothing would be criminal.

 

[rwee2000]

Actually laws create crime.
If there were no laws, nothing would be criminal.

So laws create crime, which mean laws don't stop crime, supporting my point.

 

[Rumpel]

I like the title of this thread.

What about a Catholic-Protestant-Reconciliation-Thread?

I think a am going to open one.