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    Re: Proof of God

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    And God would fall in the latter category.
    Or the former, depending on the character and temperament of the knowing subject.
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    Re: Proof of God

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    I accept that you believe God as the First Cause, that you believe God as Designer, and that you believe God as the Ground of Being, but I find no rational reasoning applied to draw a conclusion that God exists without an initial belief in the existence of a God.
    You're not listening. What I said was that the argument provided the definition, and the argument is precisely the "rational reasoning" you fail to recognize.
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    Re: Proof of God

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    You're not listening. What I said was that the argument provided the definition, and the argument is precisely the "rational reasoning" you fail to recognize.
    YOUR believed to be "rational reasoning", not THE "rational reasoning".

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    Re: Proof of God

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    Or the former, depending on the character and temperament of the knowing subject.
    Are you then claiming to have knowledge of God you haven't shared with us?

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    Re: Proof of God

    Originally Posted by gboisjo View Post
    "My heuristic arguments for God are intended to help those struggling with their personal agnostic demons, to help them understand what they have so far failed to understand, and in so far forth to ward off the despair of atheism."

    Finally a statement that makes sense ..when humans finally woke up to the reality that everything above didn't revolve around earth, it was a crippling event to our fragile personas.

    As a agnostic I live my days as fully as I can knowing when I die, its over. Everything I was or could have been is gone forever. I think nature provides me some relief from the inevitable, but its still a tough road to be on.
    Angel seems to think that you can't be a happy non believer. Belief in gods does not bring happiness any more or less than non belief. There is no logical connection between the two.
    Are religious people happier, healthier? A new global Pew Center study explores the question.

    Are religious people happier, healthier? | Pew Research Center

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    Studies have often credited religion with making people healthier, happier and more engaged in their communities. But are religiously active people better off than those who are religiously inactive or those with no religious affiliation? The short answer is that there is some evidence that religious participation does make a difference in some but not all of these areas, according to a new Pew Research Center report that looks at survey data from the United States and more than two dozen other countries.

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    Re: Proof of God

    I don't necessarily see my agnosticism as a benefit ..the truth is I can't be anything else. When I was 10 or 11 I saw Santa Claus
    for what it was ..when I was 30 or so the same thing happened except this time it was the Christian Religion. No way back from
    that realization.

    The religious IMO tend to be as convinced ..all one has to do is look at the fanatical Muslims in the Middle East ..so if I'm right this
    thread changes nothing. However, arguments about god or the lack of are fun and wile (while) away the hours.

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    Re: Proof of God

    Quote Originally Posted by gboisjo View Post
    Are religious people happier, healthier? A new global Pew Center study explores the question.

    Are religious people happier, healthier? | Pew Research Center
    This study doesn't really mean anything. It could be that in general people who are predisposed to believe in religions are happier than those who aren't predisposed. The tendency to believe in religion may help you to be happier, no matter what it is you believe. Also, it may be that the social aspects of religion are a large part of what brings happiness, and that people who tend to belong to social groups that promote positive values may have a tendency toward being happier. So in general, the tendency to believe that you are part of a community which a higher power is looking out for may be what makes you happier. In other words, positive fantasy is good for you.
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