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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument One
    Angel's Empirical Argument For God

    The experience of the person I am in the world—my consciousness, my life, and the physical world in which my conscious life appears to be set—these phenomena comprise a Stupendous Given. There's no getting around them and no getting outside them and no accounting for them from within the phenomena themselves. These phenomena point to something beyond themselves. The attempt to account for these phenomena from within the phenomena themselves has given rise to science, art and religion and the whole cultural adventure we call "civilization"—the long human struggle for purchase on the Stupendous Given. In the end, however, the only account that accords with reason is the account that infers to a Stupendous Giver. In sum, from the existence of consciousness, the existence of life, and the existence of the physical universe, the inference to the best explanation is God.
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Two
    William Paley's Argument from Design

    THE WATCH AND THE WATCHMAKER

    STATEMENT OF THE ARGUMENT

    In crossing a heath, suppose I pitched my foot against a stone, and were asked how the stone came to be there, I might possibly answer, that, for anything I knew to the contrary, it had lain there for ever; nor would it, perhaps, be very easy to show the absurdity of this answer. But suppose I found a watch upon the ground, and it should be inquired how the watch happened to be in that place.... For this reason, and for no other; viz., that, when we come to inspect the watch, we perceive (what we could not discover in the stone) that its several parts are framed and put together for a purpose...
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Three

    The Argument from the Principle of Sufficient Reason

    1. If nothing happens without a reason, then the event that started the universe has a reason.
    2. If the event that started the universe has a reason, then the reason for the event must lie outside the universe.
    3. If the reason for the event that started the universe must lie outside the universe, then that reason is super-universal.
    4. We call that super-universal reason God.
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Four

    The Argument from Contingency

    1. A contingent being (a being such that if it exists, it could have not-existed or could cease to exist) exists.
    2. This contingent being has a cause of or explanation[1] for its existence.
    3. The cause of or explanation for its existence is something other than the contingent being itself.
    4. What causes or explains the existence of this contingent being must either be solely other contingent beings or include a non-contingent (necessary) being.
    5. Contingent beings alone cannot provide a completely adequate causal account or explanation for the existence of a contingent being.
    6. Therefore, what causes or explains the existence of this contingent being must include a non-contingent (necessary) being.
    7. Therefore, a necessary being (a being such that if it exists, it cannot not-exist) exists.
    8. The universe is contingent.
    9. Therefore, the necessary being is something other than the universe.

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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Five

    Angel's version of a modal ontological argument in plain English

    1. Whatever exists, can exist. (axiom: actuality implies possibility)
    2. Whatever must exist, exists. (axiom: necessity implies actuality)
    3. Whatever must exist, can exist. (axiom: necessity implies possibility)

    4. If God exists, God must exist. (definition)

    5. Either God must exist or God must not exist. (law of thought)
    6. It is not the case that God must not exist. (negation of impossibility)
    7. Therefore, God must exist. (from 5 and 6)

    8. If God must exist, then God can exist. (from 3 and 7)
    9. If God can exist, then God exists. (from converse of definition and 1)
    10. God can exist. (from 3 and 7)
    11. Therefore God exists. (from 9 and 10)
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Six

    A Modal Ontological Argument

    1. If God does not exist, his existence is logically impossible.

    2. If God does exist, his existence is logically necessary.

    3. Hence, either Godís existence is logically impossible or else it is logically necessary.

    4. If Godís existence is logically impossible, the concept of God is contradictory.

    5. The concept of God is not contradictory.

    6.Therefore, Godís existence is logically necessary.[/B]

    The Necessity of Godís Existence: Ontological Arguments Worth Considering
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Seven

    A Cosmological Argument

    1. If the universe were eternal and its amount of energy finite, it would have reached heat death by now.

    2. The universe has not reached heat death (since there is still energy available for use).

    3. Therefore, (b) the universe had a beginning.

    4. Therefore, (c) the universe was created by a first cause (God)[/B]

    The Necessity of God’s Existence: Ontological Arguments Worth Considering
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Eight

    Angel's Argument from Judgment (a Heuristic)

    Contrary to 2500 years of philosophy and natural philosophy and 400 years of modern science, as well as the last 15 years of militant atheism, the existence of God is not something to be known; it is not a matter of knowledge, the existence of God. No, the existence of God (to be distinguished conceptually from the nature of God, which is the province of religion and properly so) -- the existence of God is a matter of judgment, of discernment. The existence of God is a value, a value discovered in and through the things of the world. God, the existence of God, is the value discovered in the world by unclouded percipience.

    1. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The eye of the beholder sees Beauty in a thing.

    2. The eye of a second beholder may miss seeing the Beauty in the thing that the first beholder sees, but sees Beauty in another thing.

    3. Both see the Beauty of things, but in and through different things.

    4. The eye of a third beholder may miss the Beauty of the things seen as Beautiful by the first and second beholders, and yet see Beauty in a third thing.

    5. All three see the Beauty of things in different things.

    6. The Beauty they see is as Real as the things they see Beauty in.

    7. A fourth beholder sees Beauty in nothing. His eye is deficient: his eye is purblind.

    8. Beauty is as Real as the world in which Beauty is seen. Do you have an eye for Beauty?


    9. God is in the eye of the beholder. The eye of the beholder sees God in the world. God is as Real as the world in which God is beheld.

    10. Do you have an eye for God?
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Nine


    Angel's Argument from Semiotics. ("All things point to God.")

    Thesis

    1. Meaning is the key to understanding. This is self-evident. If you don't understand the meaning of something, you don't understand it.

    2. Mystery is understanding deferred. This also is self-evident.

    3. The universe, life on Earth, and consciousness are the fundamental existential mysteries of the World. The World Riddle. Also self-evident.

    4. What is the deferred meaning of the the World Riddle?

    5, Answer: God.


    Argument

    6. A sign is something that indicates or points to the existence of something else which is the meaning of the sign.

    7. A sign is meaning deferred -- one must recognize the sign as sign and understand its meaning.

    8. A sign means something, and the meaning of a sign is that which the sign indicates or points to.

    8a. Do you understand the meaning of the following signs?

    अति सर्वत्र वर्जयेत्

    9. Probably not. And yet these signs possess a meaning.

    10. And that meaning exists in and through those signs whether or not you understand the signs or their meaning.

    11. The meaning lies hidden in the signs and only those who recognize and understand the signs are able to read the signs for meaning.

    12. The universe is a sign.
    13. Life is a sign.
    14. Consciousness is a sign.

    15. Can you recognize and understand the deferred meaning of the universe, as sign?
    16. Can you recognize and understand the deferred meaning of life on Earth, as sign?
    17. Can you recognize and understand the deferred meaning of consciousness, as sign?

    18. Question: What do these mysterious signs indicate? What do they point to?

    19. Answer: God exists.

    20. To understand the deferred meaning of the World Riddle is to understand that God exists.

    Conclusions

    21. The mystery of the World has a meaning and that meaning is God.
    22. The World means God.
    23. God is the meaning of the World.
    24. Atheism is symptomatic of not being able to "read" the World for meaning.
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    Re: Proof of God

    Argument Ten

    A Heuristic

    Terms
    Real = existing
    Ideal = of the mind
    Experience = of the senses

    1. The world is Real. (Naive Realism)
    2. The world as experienced is Real. (Empiricism)
    3. The world as experienced is Ideal. (Idealism)
    4. The world is the Ideal in the Real.

    5. Beauty is Ideal.
    6. Beauty is experienced in the Real.
    7. Beauty is the Ideal in the Real.

    8. God is Ideal.
    9. God is experienced in the Real.
    0. God is the Ideal in the Real.

    The world, Beauty, and God all enjoy the same ontological status.

    "My heuristic arguments for God are intended to help those struggling with their personal agnostic demons, to help them understand what they have so far failed to understand, and in so far forth to ward off the despair of atheism."
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