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    Re: Proof of God

    If everything has a cause, must it also have a fate?
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    Re: Proof of God

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherlock Holmes View Post
    Richard Dawkins is embarrassing to watch when debating educated, competent opponents:


    On the contrary, I think Richard Dawkins has got it spot on. Who created God? "Who has designed the designer? Essentially, you've explained nothing."
    The other fellow argues his point in a fairly convincing manner: he says that people who asked who created God, are missing the point - God is eternal. But, like Dawkins said, you've explained nothing. God is eternal. If something can be eternal, why not the universe God supposedly created? You can say "God was not created because God by definition was not created", but surely you could argue that the universe is eternal, or at least if created it spontaneously created itself, as God would have had to have done?
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    Re: Proof of God

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    There is no more rational answer, and it's not a matter of "finding" something logical -- something is either logical or not logical. If you agree that the universe had a cause, then you must recognize the existence of God, There is no other rational explanation.

    As for your attempt to spin this toward religion, that's just your natural bad faith coming through. Suppress it.
    I only recognize the existence of a cause, a rational explanation and term to call it will be the result of learning what the cause was.

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    1. (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
    2. (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
    3. In Angels posts, just a supernatural creature/being/entity, which the nature of is unknown except for the believed power to create a universe, life, etc. who simply has existed eternally having no cause.

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    Re: Proof of God

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrybore View Post
    If everything has a cause, must it also have a fate?
    That's an unavoidable question, isn't it?
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    Re: Proof of God

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    I only recognize the existence of a cause, a rational explanation and term to call it will be the result of learning what the cause was.

    God
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    3. In Angels posts, just a supernatural creature/being/entity, which the nature of is unknown except for the believed power to create a universe, life, etc. who simply has existed eternally having no cause.
    The existence of the cause is the rational explanation.
    And Angel's concept certainly does not include "creature" and for obvious reasons.
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    Re: Proof of God

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The existence of the cause is the rational explanation.
    And Angel's concept certainly does not include "creature" and for obvious reasons.
    And what obvious reasons would they be?

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    Well, you made my list after all. I warned you. Now scram. As far as I'm concerned, you're done. You've had your say. More of a say than your say deserved. Your posts don't exist for me anymore. Your posting antics have been consigned to the limbo of Angel's disregard. In short, I shall not be replying to your posts henceforth. Have a nice day and stay safe.
    Well, then let's pick up where we left off,

    1. The thread is titled "Proof of God"

    2. The OP premises claim to result in a conclusion of "Therefore God exists."

    3. It has been shown that the so called "Proof" rests entirely on a self proclaimed belief that ONLY God could be the ground of all that exists, "Desideratum Ultimum et Explanans Mundi".

    4. For the conclusion claimed in 2 above to be True, would require proof of the belief in 3 above being proven True, rather than just a belief.

    5. Therefore a question has been asked in an attempt to resolve that, which for some reason the OP claimant has steadfastly avoided any attempt to answer or discuss in a way to resolve the issue.

    So again, that question, now for the 30th time:

    The existence of the Universe, Life on Earth, and Consciousness, are self evident.
    Can you show any evidence, proving that each, or any of them were created by a supernatural being/entity you call God?


    YES or NO?

    If YES, please do so.
    If NO, then admit it.
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    The existence of God(s) can neither be proven True or False because the basis of their existence is but another unproven/unprovable belief.
    Many of the once believed to exist Gods have been put to rest as we eventually discovered the natural reasons for what they had been believed to be responsible for, leaving just one to go.

    The ONE OP Premise I found to be undeniably True was "Whatever exists, can exist." I find that applicable both pre and post T0 (the initiation of the Universe) in which we exist and view today.

    Change is constantly happening, creation and destruction, life and death occurs everywhere in the Universe naturally.

    Gods without human created religious beliefs are meaningless, and with such beliefs simply allow people to divide against one another no different than secular politics though unlike secular beliefs, religious beliefs can offer the hopes of rewards after death by the believed to exist God.

    So in the end, ALL that can be proven is what one believes sufficient for the maintenance of their belief in the existence of a God, NOT the Truth or Falsity of such a being/entities existence.

    Believe or not believe, it is nothing but a choice.

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    Re: Proof of God

    Yet Another Argument For God
    (befuddling Our Internet Skeptics)


    The Argument from Contingency


    15 minutes well spent.
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    Re: Proof of God

    Should we add that when challenged merely to paraphrase the argument from contingency, our local specimens of Internet Skepticism did their imitation of crickets, a bit of mimicry for which they are duly infamous.
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    Re: Proof of God

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Should we add that when challenged merely to paraphrase the argument from contingency, our local specimens of Internet Skepticism did their imitation of crickets, a bit of mimicry for which they are duly infamous.
    Everything is contingent.
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