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    Re: In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Indoctrination, Proselytizing and controlling speech are requirements for the maintenance of any Organized Religion. Without them you cannot get any significant number of rational adults to accept such preposterous notions and trust so whole heatedly in centralized magically chosen leadership based entirely on Faith.

    A lot of people may naturally gravitate towards a belief in some spiritual force or higher power that is influencing our lives and out of sheer fear of death convince themselves that there is an afterlife, but in terms of organized belief surrounding an individual or organization that is supposed to be in direct communication and have personal knowledge of the desires of the being no significant majority of people could be reasoned into the unreasonable.

    Freedom of Speech, Freedom of the Press and the internet spell collective doom for major organized religion over time.
    Sounds like bigotry towards the religious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irredentist View Post
    There are so many different denominations of Christianity in the United States, and many of them have a history of hating each other. So I don't see that shared Christianity really unites people that effectively. It certainly doesn't unite Mormons with Episcopalians for example.
    Denominational divides do exist, but when's the last time you heard of Mormons bombing an Episcopalian church? Sectarian violence which occurs in the Islamic world on a regular basis is rare in majority Christian nations. I wouldn't say that the differences between Christians rises to the level of hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Christianity has historically united the country; it was the one thing that most Americans had in common
    Garbage nonsense. Freedom from Tyranny that was almost exclusively brought on by God anointed Kings is what historically brought Americans together. It was religious persecution of various forms that drove most of the earliest settlers.

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    ,regardless of race, ethnicity, culture, or geographical differences. Now that the country seems to be abandoning Christianity in favor of vague spiritualism, other religions, or no religion, we're more fractured than ever.
    Except it is in fact the super religious(specifically christian) versus the non-religious that is the cause of the fracture. It is the older baby boomer generation that it still brainwashed by Religion versus their Younger non-religious children that are the source of the fracture. As the older Religious baby boomers die off we will be left will almost entirely the non-religious who will again be unified and they will be unified in away that is unlike any other generation of human beings has ever been.

    All through human history Religion has been yet another unnecessary division. We already divide ourselves by race and nationality. Religion created yet another completely unnecessary fraction. As it dwindles we will be able to focus more on the things that unit us not less.

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    We can look forward to similar battles here in the states.
    No, actually we can't. The battle is now, but once it is won by the younger less religious it will be like a title waive. Donald Trump's election, Brexit... these are both last ditch acts of desperation by the old guard who sees their power fading and will do anything to go back in time.

    The kids have no interested in going backwards and with every year that passes a million deeply religious baby boomers die off while a million younger non-religious kids come of age. Once the damn of this current presidency breaks there is going to be a wave progress that will be unstoppable. There will be brief attempts at a rival at some point, but they will fail miserably. Just as religion today is nothing like religion of 100 years ago what remains of religion tomorrow will be an even further departure from the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthatallcost View Post
    Denominational divides do exist, but when's the last time you heard of Mormons bombing an Episcopalian church? Sectarian violence which occurs in the Islamic world on a regular basis is rare in majority Christian nations. I wouldn't say that the differences between Christians rises to the level of hatred.
    When's the last time Muslims bombed an Episcopalian church? I've never heard of it happening. If sectarian violence happens in the Muslim world despite a shared religion, what makes you think shared Christianity would help?

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    I think Christianity, in a Western democracy, is closely linked on the right wing of politics with patriotism/nationalism.

    In any other country in the Western World, if you wrap yourself in your country's flag, much less fly it from your doorstep, you're viewed as a sad, right wing idiot - who can also be prone to right wing violence. In the USA it's still seen as a good thing "patriotism".

    In other Western countries, as Christianity had receded, so has nationalism. It's deeply uncool to fly a national flag or profess belief in a god - you'd get almost as much ridicule if you said you believed in Santa Claus

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    Quote Originally Posted by dixon01767 View Post
    Sounds like bigotry towards the religious.
    Facts are not bigoted. When someone refuses to acknowledge reality no matter how much evidence you give them it is not bigotry to call them a moron it is perfectly accurate way to describe them.

    You may disagree with my assessment, but it is nonsensical to classify it as bigotry.

    All Religious people do share common ideas. If those ideas at their very core are stupid then it is perfectly reasonable to classify all religious people as stupid. Or at the very least ignorant.

    It is no different than people who believe that the world is flat. That is a provably false claim that only those of profound ignorance or profound stupidity could possibly gravitate towards. It is perfectly reasonable to classify all flat earthers mentally deficient in some fashion. That is a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Facts are not bigoted. When someone refuses to acknowledge reality no matter how much evidence you give them it is not bigotry to call them a moron it is perfectly accurate way to describe them.

    You may disagree with my assessment, but it is nonsensical to classify it as bigotry.

    All Religious people do share common ideas. If those ideas at their very core are stupid then it is perfectly reasonable to classify all religious people as stupid. Or at the very least ignorant.

    It is no different than people who believe that the world is flat. That is a provably false claim that only those of profound ignorance or profound stupidity could possibly gravitate towards. It is perfectly reasonable to classify all flat earthers mentally deficient in some fashion. That is a fact.
    It's surprising how well educated some religious people are or how successful they've become.

    You have to wonder why is it that the existence of god is the only thing they take on "faith", not stock prices, medicine, engineering etc

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    Re: In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Facts are not bigoted. When someone refuses to acknowledge reality no matter how much evidence you give them it is not bigotry to call them a moron it is perfectly accurate way to describe them.

    You may disagree with my assessment, but it is nonsensical to classify it as bigotry.

    All Religious people do share common ideas. If those ideas at their very core are stupid then it is perfectly reasonable to classify all religious people as stupid. Or at the very least ignorant.

    It is no different than people who believe that the world is flat. That is a provably false claim that only those of profound ignorance or profound stupidity could possibly gravitate towards. It is perfectly reasonable to classify all flat earthers mentally deficient in some fashion. That is a fact.
    So...you draw an equivalence between being religious, and flat earth theory. I understand that flat earth theory is provably false...but how do you prove God is false?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWonka View Post
    Garbage nonsense. Freedom from Tyranny that was almost exclusively brought on by God anointed Kings is what historically brought Americans together. It was religious persecution of various forms that drove most of the earliest settlers.


    Except it is in fact the super religious(specifically christian) versus the non-religious that is the cause of the fracture. It is the older baby boomer generation that it still brainwashed by Religion versus their Younger non-religious children that are the source of the fracture. As the older Religious baby boomers die off we will be left will almost entirely the non-religious who will again be unified and they will be unified in away that is unlike any other generation of human beings has ever been.

    All through human history Religion has been yet another unnecessary division. We already divide ourselves by race and nationality. Religion created yet another completely unnecessary fraction. As it dwindles we will be able to focus more on the things that unit us not less.


    No, actually we can't. The battle is now, but once it is won by the younger less religious it will be like a title waive. Donald Trump's election, Brexit... these are both last ditch acts of desperation by the old guard who sees their power fading and will do anything to go back in time.
    That's all fine and well for the college educated, upper-middle class minority of America that you represent, but what about the soon to be majority of Americans from immigrant backgrounds?

    IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries and that doesn'''t bode well for humanity

    They struggle with higher learning, are likely to end up at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, and deep resentments towards your class are likely to ensue. Would you rather that they practice a religion that values nonviolence, or that they perhaps revert to the pre-European religions of their ancestors?

    The kids have no interested in going backwards and with every year that passes a million deeply religious baby boomers die off while a million younger non-religious kids come of age. Once the damn of this current presidency breaks there is going to be a wave progress that will be unstoppable. There will be brief attempts at a rival at some point, but they will fail miserably. Just as religion today is nothing like religion of 100 years ago what remains of religion tomorrow will be an even further departure from the past.
    This statement of yours confirms the blind belief in a coming utopia the left practices religiously, which doesn't seem very tied to facts. In order for your version of the future to be successful, the economy needs to keep growing without any downturns or significant job losses, both of which are naturally going to occur. The biggest tech companies are actually being given large subsidies by the government, to find ways to eliminate jobs that the lowest wage earners subsist on. Your version of the future is going to be put to the test in the coming decades, and will likely contradict with reality.

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