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Where did Christianity come up with their hell , not found anywhere in Judaism

What if...? said:
But he's gotta make em die in a fire when he could just cause them to cease to be.

Nobody has ever been able to explain away the bears he sent to rip up little kids for making fun of a bald, crazy eyed prophet.
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It was a matter of their blatant lack of respect for Jehovah's channel of communication that He was using on earth at that time...
 
Marxistleninist said:
if you read Hebrew you cannot find the word "hell" or the Christian concept of hell in what Christians call the old testament, yet it is mentioned numerous times in the Christians KJV bible

The Torah refers to a place called “Sheol,” originally a physical location and later a spiritual destination for sinners and troubled souls. Some, particularly the Kabbalists, viewed Sheol as a necessary stopping point for all souls on their journey from this world to the next, a place to work through the sins of this life. Later, the Jewish mystical tradition expanded upon this notion, describing an even more complex version called “Gehinom.” Whereas some souls ascend straight to the Garden of Eden on High, the vast majority of souls have some length of a layover, a place to work through life’s hangovers as they prepare for Olam Habah.

No burning for eternity for not believing
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Do Jews Believe in Hell? - What Is the Jewish Belief on Hell? - Death & Mourning


What Happens After Death? - Death & Mourning
 
Elvira said:
Mostly, yes...Revelation contains expressions that are not to be understood literally...we know this by what Revelation 1:1 says...

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,"

And still other things are to be taken literally, as in Revelation 14, talking about ONE Lamb and the 144,000...there are 16 visions given to John in total...
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So since the author himself writes in the same tone and style, who is it precisely that determines when the author changes from symbolic to literal, and how is that actually known for certain? I've been maintaining all along the Revelation story itself is wholly symbolic.


OM
 
Marxistleninist said:
In the Hebrew bible you cannot find the word hell, what is found is the word sheol ,in Hebrew שְׁאוֹל Šəʾōl), in the Hebrew Bible, is a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous i.e. the grave.

the mis translation of the word was changed by Christians to fit their narritive of their man god dying for someones "sins" and being accepted or going to a hell




In rabbinic literature Gehenna is a destination of the wicked. This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, although the King James Version of the Bible usually (mis) translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word "hell".
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Three posts. You must be worried.
 
Omega Man said:
So since the author himself writes in the same tone and style, who is it precisely that determines when the author changes from symbolic to literal, and how is that actually known for certain? I've been maintaining all along the Revelation story itself is wholly symbolic.


OM
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With the specific verse I mentioned...Revelation 14:1...we know who the Lamb is, it's Jesus Christ and there's only one, so it stands to reason that the number 144,000 is literal, as well...but you're right, John's writing is largely symbolic, as Revelation 1:1 points out...it is "presented it in signs"...

Another that I can think of that is to be taken literally is Revelation 21:4..."And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away"...that is a literal promise we can count on happening in the future...those scriptures to be taken literally are pretty straightforward in what they are saying...whereas the ones that are symbolic read more like a riddle, like this one...

“Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, , with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.’”​” Revelation 17:1

How can we determine who this great harlot is? We know she cannot be ancient Rome because Rome was a political power and this harlot commits fornication with the kings of the earth, and this evidently includes the kings of Rome...after her destruction, “the kings of the earth” are said to mourn her passing so she cannot be a political power...Revelation 18:9, 10...since she is mourned also by the world’s merchants, she could not picture big business..Revelation 18:15, 16...but we are told "by her spiritistic practice all the nations were misled"...Revelation 18:23...his makes it clear that the great harlot must be a worldwide religious entity....

Revelation 17:15 identifies what/who the many waters are..."He said to me: “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues."
 
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Where did Christianity come up with their hell , not found anywhere in Judaism

Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."

What's the name of the place in Judaism where people go where there's "shame and everlasting contempt"?
 
Where did Christianity come up with their hell , not found anywhere in Judaism
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Does it really matter?

Most religions need to scare the masses with some sufficiently terrifying consequence for not bowing to the religious rulers with blind obedience.
 
Tactic #1) try to convince people that if they follow you, they'll be rewarded with the most glorious everything imaginable

when that doesn't seem to be working very well:

Tactic #2) try to convince people that if they don't follow you, they'll suffer indescribable agony for a time period of infinity


Sub-tactic #3) try to skip over the whole god=love, and god=forgiveness thing as quickly as possible because it really detracts from the tactic #2 angle



Hell is a scare tactic. Nothing more.
 
Logicman said:
Where did Christianity come up with their hell , not found anywhere in Judaism

Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."

What's the name of the place in Judaism where people go where there's "shame and everlasting contempt"?
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The grave.
 
Dragonfly said:
Tactic #1) try to convince people that if they follow you, they'll be rewarded with the most glorious everything imaginable

when that doesn't seem to be working very well:

Tactic #2) try to convince people that if they don't follow you, they'll suffer indescribable agony for a time period of infinity


Sub-tactic #3) try to skip over the whole god=love, and god=forgiveness thing as quickly as possible because it really detracts from the tactic #2 angle



Hell is a scare tactic. Nothing more.
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Agreed...there is life or death put before us, just as it was with Adam and Eve...we were created to live forever, so that desire is in our DNA...it's the way we were designed...

"He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart; yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish." Ecclesiastes 3:11

Does it make sense that a loving God would create in us a desire to live forever and then make that desire impossible to realize? No...
 
Elvira said:
Me neither...and don't worry, you or no one else is going to burn in hell...on the other hand, cremation is my last hope for a smokin' hot body...:2razz:
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:lamo

Elvira...I do believe you made a funny!
 
The different words in the Bible for the names of Hell or Sheol are vast. Found in both the Old Testament and New Testament.

Sheol
Hades
Abbadon
The Pit
The Abyss
Tartarus
Hell
Gehenna
The Lake of Fire
 
Jesus talk more about Hell as about Paradise
 
RAMOSS said:
The grave.
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That's ignorant. The scripture clearly speaks of dead people awakening .

Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."

What's the name of the place in Judaism where people go where there's "shame and everlasting contempt"?

Your theology is the pits.
 
Logicman said:
That's ignorant. The scripture clearly speaks of dead people awakening .

Daniel 12:2 - "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."

What's the name of the place in Judaism where people go where there's "shame and everlasting contempt"?


Your theology is the pits.
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The grave is still the answer.
 
What if...? said:
If I remember my JW upbringing (I got better) the lake of fire is where Satan and his minions will he cast after the final battle.
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With all the great scientists going to Hell for non-belief, I'm thinking they'll have that lake of fire turned into a comfortable hot tub in no time. And all the fun girls are definitely going to be in Hell. Set up a still, and ....... Party at Satan's!!!! :party
 
Elvira said:
They adopted it straight from pagan/false worship, like they did their other false doctrines such as the trinity and the immortal soul...
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Is that right?
I thought the fundamental Christians like hell a lot!
What else could the preach about so much?
 
Rumpel said:
Is that right?
I thought the fundamental Christians like hell a lot!
What else could the preach about so much?
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The good news of God's Kingdom, of course...

"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.” Luke 1:32.33

And truth...

"For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is on the side of the truth listens to my voice.” John 18:37
 
To answer the question, from the imagination.
 
I think, those "pious people" who invented hell, should go there and stay there.
That would teach them ....
 
Marxistleninist said:
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IMO it's pretty obvious. The sheep weren't being as receptive as the priests and pastors would like, probably monetarily, so they needed to scare them into obedience. Anyone who has been near a fire knows burning for eternity is gonna suck real hard.
 
Rumpel said:
Is that right?
I thought the fundamental Christians like hell a lot!
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Nearly all do afaik.

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This guy is going full Fear Factor to get a bit more in the offering plates.
 
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I wonder what evangelical fundamentalists would do all day if they could not preach about hell? :mrgreen:
 
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