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Where did Christianity come up with their hell , not found anywhere in Judaism

In the Hebrew bible you cannot find the word hell, what is found is the word sheol ,in Hebrew שְׁאוֹל Šəʾōl), in the Hebrew Bible, is a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous i.e. the grave.

the mis translation of the word was changed by Christians to fit their narritive of their man god dying for someones "sins" and being accepted or going to a hell




In rabbinic literature Gehenna is a destination of the wicked. This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, although the King James Version of the Bible usually (mis) translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word "hell".
 
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Marxistleninist said:
In the Hebrew bible you cannot find the word hell, what is found is the word sheol ,in Hebrew שְׁאוֹל Šəʾōl), in the Hebrew Bible, is a place of darkness to which all the dead go, both the righteous and the unrighteous i.e. the grave.

the mis translation of the word was changed by Christians to fit their narritive of their man god dying for someones "sins" and being accepted or going to a hell




In rabbinic literature Gehenna is a destination of the wicked. This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, although the King James Version of the Bible usually (mis) translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word "hell".
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Give some examples.
 
it's just me said:
Give some examples.
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if you read Hebrew you cannot find the word "hell" or the Christian concept of hell in what Christians call the old testament, yet it is mentioned numerous times in the Christians KJV bible

The Torah refers to a place called “Sheol,” originally a physical location and later a spiritual destination for sinners and troubled souls. Some, particularly the Kabbalists, viewed Sheol as a necessary stopping point for all souls on their journey from this world to the next, a place to work through the sins of this life. Later, the Jewish mystical tradition expanded upon this notion, describing an even more complex version called “Gehinom.” Whereas some souls ascend straight to the Garden of Eden on High, the vast majority of souls have some length of a layover, a place to work through life’s hangovers as they prepare for Olam Habah.

No burning for eternity for not believing
 
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Marxistleninist said:
if you read Hebrew you cannot find the word "hell" or the Christian concept of hell in what Christians call the old testament, yet it is mentioned numerous times in the Christians KJV bible
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Now I know, don't I?
 
Only those who agree that "Hell" exists only as a concept are in agreement as to what "Hell" is. Those who believe it's a real place and a real condition can't decide among themselves. I'll go with Occam's Razor on this one, and I'll continue sleeping soundly till I cease to exist.


OM
 
They adopted it straight from pagan/false worship, like they did their other false doctrines such as the trinity and the immortal soul...

HELL

A word used in the King James Version (as well as in the Catholic Douay Version and most older translations) to translate the Hebrew sheʼohlʹ and the Greek haiʹdes. In the King James Version the word “hell” is rendered from sheʼohlʹ 31 times and from haiʹdes 10 times. This version is not consistent, however, since sheʼohlʹ is also translated 31 times “grave” and 3 times “pit.” In the Douay Version sheʼohlʹ is rendered “hell” 64 times, “pit” once, and “death” once.

The meaning given today to the word “hell” is that portrayed in Dante’s Divine Comedy and Milton’s Paradise Lost, which meaning is completely foreign to the original definition of the word. The idea of a “hell” of fiery torment, however, dates back long before Dante or Milton. The Grolier Universal Encyclopedia (1971, Vol. 9, p. 205) under “Hell” says: “Hindus and Buddhists regard hell as a place of spiritual cleansing and final restoration. Islamic tradition considers it as a place of everlasting punishment.” The idea of suffering after death is found among the pagan religious teachings of ancient peoples in Babylon and Egypt. Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs depicted the “nether world . . . as a place full of horrors, . . . presided over by gods and demons of great strength and fierceness.” Although ancient Egyptian religious texts do not teach that the burning of any individual victim would go on forever, they do portray the “Other World” as featuring “pits of fire” for “the damned.”​—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, by Morris Jastrow, Jr., 1898, p. 581; The Book of the Dead, with introduction by E. Wallis Budge, 1960, pp. 135, 144, 149, 151, 153, 161, 200.
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Hell — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
Elvira said:
They adopted it straight from pagan/false worship, like they did their other false doctrines such as the trinity and the immortal soul...



Hell — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
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Thank you for emphasizing the borrowing from other pagan cultures. I'm curious however in the meantime as to how JW's reconcile all this with the "lake of fire" as outlined in the Book of Revelation?

ETA: BTW, this is a great subject.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Thank you for emphasizing the borrowing from other pagan cultures. I'm curious however in the meantime as to how JW's reconcile all this with the "lake of fire" as outlined in the Book of Revelation?

ETA: BTW, this is a great subject.


OM
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If I remember my JW upbringing (I got better) the lake of fire is where Satan and his minions will he cast after the final battle.

Those "minions" are the demons (other fallen angels, iirc) and those who have sworn allegiance to Satan formally. Not regular "sinners".
 
Omega Man said:
Thank you for emphasizing the borrowing from other pagan cultures. I'm curious however in the meantime as to how JW's reconcile all this with the "lake of fire" as outlined in the Book of Revelation?

ETA: BTW, this is a great subject.


OM
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The lake of fire is symbolic for eternal destruction...we know this because of what the scriptures tell us in Revelation 20:14...death and the grave cannot literally burn but they both can be destroyed forever...that is what the 2nd death is...anything thrown into the lake of fire is destroyed forever, whether it be Satan, the wicked, or the grave...

"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."
 
What if...? said:
If I remember my JW upbringing (I got better) the lake of fire is where Satan and his minions will he cast after the final battle.

Those "minions" are the demons (other fallen angels, iirc) and those who have sworn allegiance to Satan formally. Not regular "sinners".
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It's also destruction for the wicked...those who willfully practice sin...

But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur." This means the second death.” Revelation 21:8
 
Elvira said:
The lake of fire is symbolic for eternal destruction...we know this because of what the scriptures tell us in Revelation 20:14...death and the grave cannot literally burn but they both can be destroyed forever...that is what the 2nd death is...anything thrown into the lake of fire is destroyed forever, whether it be Satan, the wicked, or the grave...

"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."
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I believe that to be the death of one's influence in this world and that only happens to evil. Good influence goes on forever.
 
Elvira said:
The lake of fire is symbolic for eternal destruction...we know this because of what the scriptures tell us in Revelation 20:14...death and the grave cannot literally burn but they both can be destroyed forever...that is what the 2nd death is...anything thrown into the lake of fire is destroyed forever, whether it be Satan, the wicked, or the grave...

"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."
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Christianity certainly didn't invent hell but they do use it to recruit new members. As in if you don't join us you're going to burn in hell. I never liked that part of Christianity. If I do burn in hell for not going to church does my family still have to pay for my cremation?
 
ecofarm said:
I believe that to be the death of one's influence in this world and that only happens to evil. Good influence goes on forever.
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True...good conquers evil..."keep conquering the evil with the good." Romans 12:21
 
lemmiwinx said:
Christianity certainly didn't invent hell but they do use it to recruit new members. As in if you don't join us you're going to burn in hell. I never liked that part of Christianity. If I do burn in hell for not going to church does my family still have to pay for my cremation?
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Me neither...and don't worry, you or no one else is going to burn in hell...on the other hand, cremation is my last hope for a smokin' hot body...:2razz:
 
Elvira said:
It's also destruction for the wicked...those who willfully practice sin...

But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur." This means the second death.” Revelation 21:8
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Aww. I thought they just ended.

Jahweh is SUCH a dick.
 
Elvira said:
The lake of fire is symbolic for eternal destruction...we know this because of what the scriptures tell us in Revelation 20:14...death and the grave cannot literally burn but they both can be destroyed forever...that is what the 2nd death is...anything thrown into the lake of fire is destroyed forever, whether it be Satan, the wicked, or the grave...

"And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire."
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So then the author of Revelation had resorted to symbolism only?


OM
 
Elvira said:
Well yeah...that is what destruction is...the end...
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But he's gotta make em die in a fire when he could just cause them to cease to be.

Nobody has ever been able to explain away the bears he sent to rip up little kids for making fun of a bald, crazy eyed prophet.
 
Elvira said:
True...good conquers evil..."keep conquering the evil with the good." Romans 12:21
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I, too, believe in the victory of good over evil.
 
Hell is a place of fiery destruction.

The idea that people go there to suffer forever was brought in by the early Catholic Church, probably from Sumerian and Babylonian mysticism. It isn't a scripturally sound doctrine, and indeed can be easily disproved in any number of ways from the pages of your own Bible.

For a deeper look into the origins of the doctrine: The Secret History of Hell | Telecasts | Tomorrow's World

It is important to note that Hell is referred-to as the Eternal Fire. That is, it can never be extinguished. Several passages emphasize this as a means of pointing out that judgment is inescapable and destruction is eternal, which is where some theologians err in assuming man has an immortal soul.
 
lemmiwinx said:
Christianity certainly didn't invent hell
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Shoel, of Jewish belief, is not a place of suffering. It didn't become a place of suffering within the Abrahamic religions until Christianity.
 
Omega Man said:
So then the author of Revelation had resorted to symbolism only?


OM
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Mostly, yes...Revelation contains expressions that are not to be understood literally...we know this by what Revelation 1:1 says...

"A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,"

And still other things are to be taken literally, as in Revelation 14, talking about ONE Lamb and the 144,000...there are 16 visions given to John in total...
 
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