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America is NOT a christian nation

year2late said:
Our country is based on inclusiveness. "Christian Nation" sounds pretty exclusive to me.
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Well, that's you. The problem lies with you.



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When I think CHristian Nationalism.....I think of the WORST subsets of Christianity - KKK and such.[/quote]

Christian Nationalism? What on earth are you on about?

Equating the KKK with Christianity as a whole, like somehow the KKK is the picture of Christianity - my, that's quite an ignorant view. You should read the New Testament.






Yes, we were founded as a nation with primarily Christians.

But our principles call for inclusiveness. "Christian Nation" ? Not so much.
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The USA is an open nation. It's been peopled by immigrants from all over the world. They're not all Christians.

That's one major thing that should tell you how wrong you are in your thinking.




Christian Nationalism sounds like it could incorporate the worst parts of Christianity - those that exploit for personal or political purposes.

Call it what you want. But it will still evoke Birth of a Nation to me. YMMV.
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Being a nation founded on Christian principles, 76% of citizenry are Christians - and you keep bringing up that irrelevant "Christian Nationalism" - somehow trying to bring in the KKK!


are you deliberately insulting the whole Christian population?
 
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tosca1 said:
Of course there are different cultures! Different peoples from all over the world had come to this New World!
A lot of those people had also come from nations that worship the Abrahamic God!
Like the Jews, as an example! Same God worshipped by the Christians!
Same God who gave the mandate!






What does your Constitution say about those?
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Same god as the muslims
 
tosca1 said:
Well, that's you. The problem lies with you.



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When I think CHristian Nationalism.....I think of the WORST subsets of Christianity - KKK and such.
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Christian Nationalism? What on earth are you on about?

Equating the KKK with Christianity as a whole, like somehow the KKK is the picture of Christianity - my, that's quite an ignorant view. You should read the New Testament.








The USA is an open nation. It's been peopled by immigrants from all over the world. They're not all Christians.

That's one major thing that should tell you how wrong you are in your thinking.






Being a nation founded on Christian principles, 76% of citizenry are Christians - and you keep bringing up that irrelevant "Christian Nationalism" - somehow trying to bring in the KKK!


are you deliberately insulting the whole Christian population?[/QUOTE]

I am not equating the KKK with all Christians. There used to be some KKK speaker who used to talk many years ago about the KKK and "Christian Nation". That is why it has stuck in my mind.

We are a nation with many people who are from many religions....and many non believers as well.

Like I said before.....Christian Nation sounds like it is exclusive, which we are not. Hell, some of our founding fathers had beliefs that would wildly piss off many . Can you imagine many of our Christians being ok with deism? Or what Thomas Jefferson did to the Bible?

A nation with Christians is accurate and does not sound exclusive. YMMV - and it most certainly does.;)
 
year2late said:
Christian Nationalism? What on earth are you on about?

Equating the KKK with Christianity as a whole, like somehow the KKK is the picture of Christianity - my, that's quite an ignorant view. You should read the New Testament.








The USA is an open nation. It's been peopled by immigrants from all over the world. They're not all Christians.

That's one major thing that should tell you how wrong you are in your thinking.






Being a nation founded on Christian principles, 76% of citizenry are Christians - and you keep bringing up that irrelevant "Christian Nationalism" - somehow trying to bring in the KKK!


are you deliberately insulting the whole Christian population?
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I am not equating the KKK with all Christians. There used to be some KKK speaker who used to talk many years ago about the KKK and "Christian Nation". That is why it has stuck in my mind.

We are a nation with many people who are from many religions....and many non believers as well.

Like I said before.....Christian Nation sounds like it is exclusive, which we are not. Hell, some of our founding fathers had beliefs that would wildly piss off many . Can you imagine many of our Christians being ok with deism? Or what Thomas Jefferson did to the Bible?

A nation with Christians is accurate and does not sound exclusive. YMMV - and it most certainly does.;)
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Well, you're just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
That's the good thing about democracy!

Cheers!

 
tosca1 said:
You can call it anything you want! You can claim what you think it is not.
If it makes you feel so much better - hey, then deny it!
Isn't that how it goes now in our current climate?

But......we can't ignore the facts.

The Constitution is based on Christian principles. :shrug:
Americans are adhering to the Constitution - which is based on Christian principles!

Plus with majority of Americans being Chrsitians!
Well, I can call it a Christian nation - I say, AMERICA IS A CHRISTIAN NATION -


and I've got some facts to back me up! So, there!
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Hey, Christians don't follow Christian principles. You make up whatever you want to believe, but the US is not a Christian nation. If it were, it could not be considered a secular nation. The United States constitution is strictly secular. There is no state church and no state religion in any sense in the US. You're arguing in an alternative reality defined by your desire to see all things from a religious perspective. What I'm telling you aren't my rules. You're making up your own rules.
 
AGENT J said:
WOW!!! always funny when somebody completely exposes their self like this with dishonest hypocrisy and bigotry. The majority of christians are not like you describe.

Your views are 100% part of the problem and not part of the solution, you are just like the people you claim to be calling out :shrug:
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What possible solution are you referring to? Are you implying christianity is a problem?

did you just say good gives you the perspective of living here?
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No, I said information is easily available. One does not have to rely on anecdotal evidence.
You showing comprehension skills.:lamo :rofl
 
soylentgreen said:
True, my googling is called research. Where as your personal experience is a fallacy called anecdotal.
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Not at all. My experience is what is called 'Primary source' , while your googling could very well be confirmation bias.
 
RAMOSS said:
Not at all. My experience is what is called 'Primary source' , while your googling could very well be confirmation bias.
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No, personal experience is anecdotal not primary. Yours could just very well be the experience of an anti social nerd still living in his parents basement.

And the information needed is not hard to find nor is it confined to a small segment of the web.
 
soylentgreen said:
No, personal experience is anecdotal not primary. Yours could just very well be the experience of an anti social nerd still living in his parents basement.

And the information needed is not hard to find nor is it confined to a small segment of the web.
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Let's see you actually provide the link that supports your claim then, and not one that is just confirmation bias. Let's see it.

Claims for support is not equal to support.
 
soylentgreen said:
1.) What possible solution are you referring to?
2.) Are you implying christianity is a problem?
3.)No, I said information is easily available. One does not have to rely on anecdotal evidence.
4.) You showing comprehension skills.:lamo :rofl
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1.) the solution of not posting bigoted hypocritical views
2.) nope not at all but SOME individuals who are Christian are a problem just like you are an individual sho is part of the problem and not the 3.) 3.) 3.) thanks for proving my point, theres nothing google can provide to give you a better perspective of those that live through it
4.) hey look a failed personal attack further proving my point and exposing the fact you cant support your claims . . awesome! SO very telling. LMAO
Thanks for proving me right again.

When you can support your false claims with one fact that makes them true please let us know, thanks!
 
RAMOSS said:
Let's see you actually provide the link that supports your claim then, and not one that is just confirmation bias. Let's see it.

Claims for support is not equal to support.
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A simple wiki link will tell you that the majority of americans are still christians and that a majority still belong to a church of some discription.
 
soylentgreen said:
A simple wiki link will tell you that the majority of americans are still Christians and that a majority still belong to a church of some discription.
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another fail . . of course most americans are Christian but that does NOTHING to support the lies you got caught posting lol

we are waiting, please support your failed claims with one fact that makes them ture . . one, thanks!
 
soylentgreen said:
A simple wiki link will tell you that the majority of americans are still christians and that a majority still belong to a church of some discription.
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Yet, that does not back up your claim about the american Christians not being reasonable. This is what is known as 'moving goal posts'
 
soylentgreen said:
A simple wiki link will tell you that the majority of americans are still christians and that a majority still belong to a church of some discription.
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There are many different Christian Religions and there many different tenets among the Christian religions.

I find it really interesting that there were letters written between the Danbury Baptists and Thomas Jefferson because the Baptists were concerned about the separation of church and state. Those letters led to the Bill of Rights. It’s from the Bill of Rights we have a Right to privacy.

Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty‐‐that religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals ‐‐that no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions‐‐that the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbors; But, sir, our constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter together with the law made coincident therewith, were adopted as the basis of our government, at the time of our revolution; and such had been our laws and usages, and such still are; that religion is considered as the first object of legislation; and therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the state) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights; and these favors we receive at the expense of such degrading acknowledgements as are inconsistent with the rights of freemen. It is not to be wondered at therefore; if those who seek after power and gain under the pretense of government and religion should reproach their fellow men‐‐should reproach their order magistrate, as a enemy of religion, law, and good order, because he will not, dare not, assume the prerogatives of Jehovah and make laws to govern the kingdom of Christ.
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Letters between Thomas Jefferson and the Danbury Baptists - Bill of Rights Institute
 
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The vast majority of Evangelical Christians believe that Jesus' Kingdom will be established on earth as soon as every elected office in America is held by Bible Thumping Republicans.
 
Bezukhov said:
The vast majority of Evangelical Christians believe that Jesus' Kingdom will be established on earth as soon as every elected office in America is held by Bible Thumping Republicans.
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According to the Bible, no man will bring about God's kingdom...it will not come...Matthew 6:10...a minute before or after God wills it...

"For the vision is yet for its appointed time,
And it is rushing toward its end, and it will not lie.
Even if it should delay, keep in expectation of it!
For it will without fail come true.
It will not be late!" Habakkuk 2:3
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet, that does not back up your claim about the american Christians not being reasonable. This is what is known as 'moving goal posts'
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No, that's giving as fact. That christianity is in the majority. As to whether they are reasonable is a matter of definition. Possibly you have a higher thresh hold of what you might consider reasonable.

Shall we go through this thread and count the number of reasonable threads by christians?
 
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soylentgreen said:
No, that's giving as fact. That christianity is in the majority. As to whether they are reasonable is a matter of definition. Possibly you have a higher thresh hold of what you might consider reasonable.
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Whose definition is that?? Where does that come from?? Let's see you show your source, or is that merely your opinion?
 
minnie616 said:
There are many different Christian Religions and there many different tenets among the Christian religions.

I find it really interesting that there were letters written between the Danbury Baptists and Thomas Jefferson because the Baptists were concerned about the separation of church and state. Those letters led to the Bill of Rights. It’s from the Bill of Rights we have a Right to privacy.



Letters between Thomas Jefferson and the Danbury Baptists - Bill of Rights Institute
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The unfortunate part of your argument is that it is historical. I should point out that the title of this thread does not suggest an historical view of what america was suppose to be counts for anything.

And pointing to your forefathers is a bit of a joke. While claiming all freemen have a right to a religious belief they also distributed a specially edited bibles to slaves to make sure they did not get any ideas about freedom for themselves.

You are not making a good argument for america not being christian. But you are making a good argument for how hypocritical religion is.
 
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