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Attorney General Barr Says Secular Militants Are Tearing America Down

Maybe Barr should be focusing on the real law breakers, you know, his job, and talk about what to do with right-wing terrorist acts instead of this BS.

Right-wing terrorism - Wikipedia

He makes it sound like it's a left-wing thing to do with criminal acts against the sanctity of religion, but not RW terrorist acts against the sanctity of life.
 
RAMOSS said:
There are last last 3 or 4 different pairs of sites that have been identified as Sodom and Gomorrah. That means most of the identifications are wrong, if not all of them.
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Probably.
But again, many names in the bible have some real historical background. Most names are not completely pulled from the sky.
So, there may have been something similar in names that was passed down through the generations.
But I doubt the story of what transpired per the bible is factually true.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Well Saudi Arabia is an extreme example, I’m not advocating that system I’m merely saying that people love to bash Islamist societies and all I’m saying is, their preference for secular liberalism is not based on any objective moral principle it’s merely a judgement call.

FGM and stoning women and the like have never been accepted practices in Catholicism, some Witch burning happened in some particularly extreme sects of Protestantism, but in general if you’re talking about “those religions” well you need to be more specific
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I was just giving a possible reason for low alcohol and depression.
But my guess, that would be just among men. My guess is women are depresses and perhaps children as well.
I don't know what they even have for alcohol in SA.
 
dairyair said:
I was just giving a possible reason for low alcohol and depression.
But my guess, that would be just among men. My guess is women are depresses and perhaps children as well.
I don't know what they even have for alcohol in SA.
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Nothing, alcohol possession is completely banned. I mean I’m sure there’s an underground market, but breaking the law in Saudi Arabia on alcohol possession gets you a visit from the religious police and that’s a lot worse then dealing with Vice cops in the US
 
dairyair said:
Actually, per constitution or BoR, Christianity never should have had a place in gov't, schools, or public square.
It's taking all this time to make the gov't etc to live up the the constitution.

They can not promote nor hinder religious freedoms.
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The Founding Fathers never agreed to what you're saying. They even held church services in government buildings.
 
dairyair said:
Bias?
Things that get considered as fact is peer reviewed by many sources.

Lie is an intentional untruth. I think they believe what they wrote. But their premise is likely wrong.
Was there ever a Sodom or Gomorah?

Here: Something that say maybe. But not conclusive.
BBC - History -
Ancient History in depth: The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah

IMO, there may have been something. Biblical references to places of past has some real merit.

But again, no human has ever been turned into a pillar of salt.
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Ha. Here's the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Associates for Biblical Research - The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
 
Logicman said:
The Founding Fathers never agreed to what you're saying. They even held church services in government buildings.
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We The People of the USA, today, agree to what I'm saying. Based on Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
 
Logicman said:
Ha. Here's the remains of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Associates for Biblical Research - The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
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Well, that's one hypothesis. There are several other pairs of cities that are identified as Sodom and Gomorrah also. The one thing they all have in common is that it's entirely speculative which pair of cities are Sodom and Gomorrah, since there is no actual evidence any of the pairs of cities are Sodom and Gomorrah.. It's a typical pseudo-archaeological claim, similar to finding Noah's ark.
 
Mashmont said:
...Barr said that secular militants, including “so-called progressives,” are mobilized in an “organized destruction” of religion. He vowed that his Justice Department will fight for the “most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith....
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I think you are confused.

If there are secularists out there who seek to prevent you from following your beliefs, they are wrong to do so. Be it a belief in a supernatural god or UFO'S and aliens.

But I don't think there are many in the USA who do.


The chief opposition to your religion remains what it has always been - other religions.


Christianity sought to tear down the institutions of the heathen and forcibly convert them - on pain of death

Islam is the same, to convert you or kill you


Oppose ALL faiths as trying to control what you think and believe. The place to start is in school.
 
Rich2018 said:
I think you are confused.

If there are secularists out there who seek to prevent you from following your beliefs, they are wrong to do so. Be it a belief in a supernatural god or UFO'S and aliens.

But I don't think there are many in the USA who do.


The chief opposition to your religion remains what it has always been - other religions.


Christianity sought to tear down the institutions of the heathen and forcibly convert them - on pain of death

Islam is the same, to convert you or kill you


Oppose ALL faiths as trying to control what you think and believe. The place to start is in school.
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Christianity, specifically my Catholic Church is 100% voluntary. There's nobody checking to see if you attend, and nobody who knows if you give money or not. Atheist marxism on the other hand? It is being forced on people. They don't build walls to keep people out, but to keep them in.
 
dairyair said:
Your biased site has been dismissed.

I gave you a site to research where they say there was a possibility they existed. But nothing conclusive.
Anyway, it doesn't really matter if they existed.

The story is just a story. No human has ever been turned into a pillar of salt.
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Your bias is what's keeping you back from the truth.
 
dairyair said:
We The People of the USA, today, agree to what I'm saying. Based on Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

There's been no attempt by Congress to establish a religion. People can bark like dogs all they want about prayer in school, etc., but NONE OF THAT IS AN ATTEMPT BY CONGRESS to establish a religion
 
Logicman said:
"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

There's been no attempt by Congress to establish a religion. People can bark like dogs all they want about prayer in school, etc., but NONE OF THAT IS AN ATTEMPT BY CONGRESS to establish a religion
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Prayer clubs happen in public schools all the time and thats no big deal, so long as the school doesn't force kids to join, interrupt class time for it, doesn't favor one religion over another, and doesn't make it part of the curriculum.

However, the first amendment is generally understood that government, not just congress has these limitations.
 
Mashmont said:
Christianity, specifically my Catholic Church is 100% voluntary....
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LOL - it would be funny if it weren't so tragic

Tell that to Mary I of England and the protestants she burned for not being a Catholic...and before you reply yes, the Protestants were almost as bad.

There are priests today, in the USA, who advocate a theocracy. Basically a Christian version of the Taliban:

YouTube


There are a couple, one is at 1:45:10


...there's nobody checking to see if you attend, and nobody who knows if you give money or not....
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Maybe not in your church today, but in many others there are

Islam for instance
Fundamentalist Christianity is another....you're noticed if you miss church in the Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses or the fundamentalist church of the Amish


....Atheist marxism on the other hand? It is being forced on people...
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Not in a democracy.

Marxism has never been voted in.


...they don't build walls to keep people out, but to keep them in.
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A cynic would say tell that to Trump's supporters....why did you bring up walls ?

What walls do you see ?
 
Logicman said:
The Founding Fathers never agreed to what you're saying. They even held church services in government buildings.
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If you have any evidence of actual Founders holding church services themselves in a government building, please share it. I recognize that Jefferson and Madison attended them, but any denomination could offer them, and today, that might include Muslims holding prayers or services for the Spaghetti Monster. But I don't think that's what Bill Barr has in mind.

Under that condition, secularism might not look so bad to him.

Things were pretty simple when Protestantism could be a glue that held the republic together. Since then, its gotten increasingly complicated.
 
Logicman said:
"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

There's been no attempt by Congress to establish a religion. People can bark like dogs all they want about prayer in school, etc., but NONE OF THAT IS AN ATTEMPT BY CONGRESS to establish a religion
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Correct.
But it is by govt. Public schools are gov't.
If they push christianity, the violates 1A. Unless they give equal time to all religions.

I can't believe this simple stuff needs explaining in this day and age.
 
dairyair said:
Correct.
But it is by govt. Public schools are gov't.
If they push christianity, the violates 1A. Unless they give equal time to all religions.

I can't believe this simple stuff needs explaining in this day and age.
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The verbiage is clear. If liberal judges screwed up the meaning of it - as they usually do - then it needs to be reversed. It's BY CONGRESS.

And as added evidence to support my position it's documented that the Founding Fathers attended Christian church services in government buildings from the time of the Revolution up to the time of the Civil War. So, so much for your gov't excuse.

Religion and the Federal Government, Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)

Some people just need to get their history straight before they bark.
 
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j brown's body said:
If you have any evidence of actual Founders holding church services themselves in a government building, please share it. I recognize that Jefferson and Madison attended them, but any denomination could offer them, and today, that might include Muslims holding prayers or services for the Spaghetti Monster. But I don't think that's what Bill Barr has in mind.

Under that condition, secularism might not look so bad to him.

Things were pretty simple when Protestantism could be a glue that held the republic together. Since then, its gotten increasingly complicated.
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I have evidence for Christian church services in government buildings from the time of the Founding Fathers. It's from the U.S. Library of Congress:

A Millennialist Sermon Preached in Congress -

"This sermon on the millennium was preached by the Baltimore Swedenborgian minister, John Hargrove (1750-1839) in the House of Representatives. One of the earliest millennialist sermons preached before Congress was offered on July 4, 1801, by the Reverend David Austin (1759-1831), who at the time considered himself "struck in prophesy under the style of the Joshua of the American Temple." Having proclaimed to his Congressional audience the imminence of the Second Coming of Christ, Austin took up a collection on the floor of the House to support services at "Lady Washington's Chapel" in a nearby hotel where he was teaching that "the seed of the Millennial estate is found in the backbone of the American Revolution."

Reserved Seats at Capitol Services

Here is a description, by an early Washington "insider," Margaret Bayard Smith (1778-1844), a writer and social critic and wife of Samuel Harrison Smith, publisher of the National Intelligencer, of Jefferson's attendance at church services in the House of Representatives: "Jefferson during his whole administration was a most regular attendant. The seat he chose the first day sabbath, and the adjoining one, which his private secretary occupied, were ever afterwards by the courtesy of the congregation, left for him."

More of these in the following U.S. Library of Congress link: Religion and the Federal Government, Part 2 - Religion and the Founding of the American Republic | Exhibitions (Library of Congress)
 
SMH...

Since almost all the people living in the US at the time the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written were Christians of multiple denominations, haven't you ever wondered what religion they Founders and Framers were referring to when they sought to prevent government from creating a state religion and theocracy in the First Amendment and Constitution?

It was Christianity.

The Danbury Baptist letters supported their fear of one denomination trying to get the government to help them be politically dominant over a more populous church. Jefferson based his policy of separation of church and state on the First Amendment when dealing with the Danbury Baptists. The First Amendment, was written by Madison with Jefferson's help....both of whom were men who read and were influenced by leaders and writers of the Enlightenment Era, like John Locke...people who had serious reservations on allowing Christianity to become part of government.

So, if Barr...that "great" man...wants to point his finger at the culprit of America's moral decline....he should start at the beginning and denounce the Founders and Framers as most of them were influenced by the Enlightenment Era...and those who weren't Deists, should also be denounced as they helped to usher in the Constitution and First Amendment.

Jeez...try reading a book or two from the library instead getting your news from right-wing op-eds....
 
Rich2018 said:
LOL - it would be funny if it weren't so tragic

Tell that to Mary I of England and the protestants she burned for not being a Catholic...and before you reply yes, the Protestants were almost as bad.
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Was that 500 years ago? What does that have to do with today?

There are priests today, in the USA, who advocate a theocracy. Basically a Christian version of the Taliban:

YouTube


There are a couple, one is at 1:45:10
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No priest says anything like that, and your youtube video didn't say anything of the kind. The protestant guy said he wanted as many people to be saved as possible, and then those people would elect a Christians. Nothing radical about that, and it has zero to do with the RCC.




Maybe not in your church today, but in many others there are

Islam for instance
Fundamentalist Christianity is another....you're noticed if you miss church in the Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses or the fundamentalist church of the Amish
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Notice my post was about the Catholic Church. Not fricking Islam (which really the opposite side of the same coin of atheist Marxism.


A cynic would say tell that to Trump's supporters....why did you bring up walls ?

What walls do you see ?
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Trump's wall is to keep illegals out. Atheists build walls to FORCE people to stay.
 
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