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Attorney General Barr Says Secular Militants Are Tearing America Down

HumblePi said:
It can't be any worse than his own actions which will be proven to be illegal, deceptive, un-Amercan and treasonous. By the way, I'm one of the 'left' and I'm Roman Catholic.
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If you're a leftwinger, you CANNOT possibly be a practicing Catholic.
 
Mashmont said:
If you're a leftwinger, you CANNOT possibly be a practicing Catholic.
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That's an ignorant statement. You're assuming that anyone that's liberal cannot be a believer or have faith in God. Yes, liberals CAN practice the faith of their choice. See, this is the brainwashing you've been getting from Fox News. Anyone that's against Trump must be heathen Satan worshipers. That's ridiculous and unrealistic.
 
HumblePi said:
That's an ignorant statement. You're assuming that anyone that's liberal cannot be a believer or have faith in God. Yes, liberals CAN practice the faith of their choice. See, this is the brainwashing you've been getting from Fox News. Anyone that's against Trump must be heathen Satan worshipers. That's ridiculous and unrealistic.
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One CANNOT think abortion is permissible AND be a practicing Christian.
 
Mashmont said:
One CANNOT think abortion is permissible AND be a practicing Christian.
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You're right, i don't believe in abortion. I do believe that a law is a law. I also believe in separation of church and state as our Constitution has specified.
 
Evil Marxist Obama administration? Troll posting.
 
What does this secual garbage have to do with beliefs and skepticism? Leave politics where it belongs...in the gutter...:roll:
 
HumblePi said:
You're right, i don't believe in abortion. I do believe that a law is a law. I also believe in separation of church and state as our Constitution has specified.
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Great. So you are against abortion for all?
 
Mashmont said:
One CANNOT think abortion is permissible AND be a practicing Christian.
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That's easy.

I am Christian. I am liberal. I think abortion is wrong. Therefore I do not have an abortion.
 
tacomancer said:
That's easy.

I am Christian. I am liberal. I think abortion is wrong. Therefore I do not have an abortion.
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Also, being male makes sure you won't get an abortion too.
 
RAMOSS said:
Also, being male makes sure you won't get an abortion too.
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Well true. I've been in a few pregnancy scares with various girlfriends. The question came up. I never chose abortion. :shrug:

Of course, all of this is dependent on one's interpretation of the bible.
 
tacomancer said:
That's easy.

I am Christian. I am liberal. I think abortion is wrong. Therefore I do not have an abortion.
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Sorry, that's not enough. To be Christian, you have to stand up for the rights of the unborn not just for you, but for all. You have to categorically condemn abortion period. Not doing so is akin to saying "I oppose rape for myself, but I will not stand in the way of others who want to commit it".

So let's see you make the complete anti-abortion stand. Then I'll believe you are Christian
 
Mashmont said:
Sorry, that's not enough. To be Christian, you have to stand up for the rights of the unborn not just for you, but for all. You have to categorically condemn abortion period. Not doing so is akin to saying "I oppose rape for myself, but I will not stand in the way of others who want to commit it".

So let's see you make the complete anti-abortion stand. Then I'll believe you are Christian
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First of all, your opinion of me or the validity of my labels means nothing to me. Now that that stupidity is out of the way.

It is absolutely enough. There is nothing in the bible that says abortion is a societal versus a personal topic. In fact, its fairly vague on whether abortion is murder at all.

You make the mistake of thinking your personal opinion or your church's opinion on the topic is the final say.
 
Mashmont said:
Barr is a tremendous legal scholar. Anyone who wants atheist values in the law of the land ought to move to North Korea and live happily ever after.
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As a Jew I and other Jews had rather live in a secular country then one run by christ stains

The Jewish people always felt the string of christian "love" thought the centuries , living under their rule


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tacomancer said:
Well true. I've been in a few pregnancy scares with various girlfriends. .
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Lordy. Just as casually as going through the drive-thru at McDonald's, eh?

This is the question young people should be asking themselves: Are we building relationships and families, or are we just messing around?

For guidance on that, we should all look to the Duggars who have a mission and a plan, and drive straight ahead towards building lives and families.
 
Mashmont said:
Lordy. Just as casually as going through the drive-thru at McDonald's, eh?

This is the question young people should be asking themselves: Are we building relationships and families, or are we just messing around?

For guidance on that, we should all look to the Duggars who have a mission and a plan, and drive straight ahead towards building lives and families.
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I have quite a lovely family with three healthy and wonderful children, thank you :)

What's the next topic you will presuppose about people but be totally wrong about?
 
tacomancer said:
Well true. I've been in a few pregnancy scares with various girlfriends. The question came up. I never chose abortion. :shrug:

Of course, all of this is dependent on one's interpretation of the bible.
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Yet, the ultimate decision is not yours.. .. but the person who is risking their health. Both abortion, and giving birth give medical dangers, and it's a lot easier for a man to 'disappear' suddenly out of a child's life.
 
tacomancer said:
I have quite a lovely family with three healthy and wonderful children, thank you :)

What's the next topic you will presuppose about people but be totally wrong about?
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Things aren't as good as they could have been if people didn't go about them the right way. But.....we deal with what we have now.

Duggars' parents spared them from those missteps so they could get on with building families at a young age. I respect that so much.

Duggars' parenting style is a super example for people, and their kids are super example for other kids.
 
RAMOSS said:
Yet, the ultimate decision is not yours.. .. but the person who is risking their health. Both abortion, and giving birth give medical dangers, and it's a lot easier for a man to 'disappear' suddenly out of a child's life.
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True. In my particular situation, the conversation was more "what do we do" I said we raise it. She agreed (in both cases). I recognize it was her choice and not one I would have faulted her. But I gave my honest opinion.
 
Mashmont said:
Things aren't as good as they could have been if people didn't go about them the right way. But.....we deal with what we have now.
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That depends on one's definition of good. Ultimately striving towards the types of behavior that Jesus demonstrated is an ideal and not one that will ever be achieved. We all have failings and the world we have is the world we have. Whether it could be better or worse, I am not going to worry about that, as I can try to put what good in the world I can, but ultimately, its not up to any of us. I am going to worry about my behavior, my relationships with people, the type of attitude I show people, being a good friend, being charitable, being loving, being peaceful, I will dare to show love where others are afraid to, I will be kind when the world says that is stupid and I will just get taken advantage of. In all of this I will be strong because I have a hell of a partner in my moral, spiritual, and mental growth to become better every day. I have my comfort to turn to when things suck. I have someone to pray to when I want to express my hopes for myself, others, or the world, but also will accept the decisions that God makes.

That, to me, is Christianity. Its not about forcing others to my boot or societal control. Its about what love, examples, and good can I put in the world as my partner in this, (who is far smarter than I will ever be) helps me make those good choices that reveal that good in either the human soul or God.
 
tacomancer said:
That depends on one's definition of good. Ultimately striving towards the types of behavior that Jesus demonstrated is an ideal and not one that will ever be achieved. We all have failings and the world we have is the world we have. Whether it could be better or worse, I am not going to worry about that, as I can try to put what good in the world I can, but ultimately, its not up to any of us. I am going to worry about my behavior, my relationships with people, the type of attitude I show people, being a good friend, being charitable, being loving, being peaceful, I will dare to show love where others are afraid to, I will be kind when the world says that is stupid and I will just get taken advantage of. In all of this I will be strong because I have a hell of a partner in my moral, spiritual, and mental growth to become better every day. I have my comfort to turn to when things suck. I have someone to pray to when I want to express my hopes for myself, others, or the world, but also will accept the decisions that God makes.

That, to me, is Christianity. Its not about forcing others to my boot or societal control. Its about what love, examples, and good can I put in the world as my partner in this, (who is far smarter than I will ever be) helps me make those good choices that reveal that good in either the human soul or God.
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You keep saying 'partner'. Not a wife?
 
Mashmont said:
Things aren't as good as they could have been if people didn't go about them the right way. But.....we deal with what we have now.

Duggars' parents spared them from those missteps so they could get on with building families at a young age. I respect that so much.

Duggars' parenting style is a super example for people, and their kids are super example for other kids.
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Wisdom comes from those mistakes and often it is our mistakes that God can use to teach us how to be better. Otherwise we are just apeing things things we are taught with no real personal understanding or growth, which creates its own failure the moment someone asks a question or thinks on their own. I am sure what the Duggars did is ok (but even they failed in some respects, like any human does) but it is not the only path either. Far from it.

I submit Saul or Jonah as an example here.
 
tacomancer said:
Wisdom comes from those mistakes and often it is our mistakes that God can use to teach us how to be better. Otherwise we are just apeing things things we are taught with no real personal understanding or growth, which creates its own failure the moment someone asks a question or thinks on their own. I am sure what the Duggars did is ok (but even they failed in some respects, like any human does) but it is not the only path either. Far from it.
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If people acknowledge sex outside marriage is wrong, that earns respect from me. If they don't, they're just whistling dixie (as my mom put it).
 
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