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[W:201]Why the Catholic Church is the Greatest Organization in the World

Mashmont said:
Your wife shows no gratitude for the women who devoted their lives to your wife for nothing in exchange. Leftwing atheists think everything is owed to them.
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Yeah, I think it’s far more likely if his wife was raised by a religious order that her parents screwed up bad and she didn’t bond properly in early childhood and was probably a handful and these religious sisters put her into a strictly disciplined environment. Much like going to boot camp from high school. I can see how that might be traumatic, but that’s not abuse. And when I am able to look into people making these claims this is ALWAYS what I find.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yeah, I think it’s far more likely if his wife was raised by a religious order that her parents screwed up bad and she didn’t bond properly in early childhood and was probably a handful and these religious sisters put her into a strictly disciplined environment. Much like going to boot camp from high school. I can see how that might be traumatic, but that’s not abuse. And when I am able to look into people making these claims this is ALWAYS what I find.
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Survivors Of Sexual Abuse By Nuns Want Greater Visibility For Their Accusations : NPR
 
I know some extraordinary people that are devout Catholics and live their belief system. Whatever heaven is, they will be there. I believe as a structure, Catholicism provides a great foundation. The man made/man involved portions of Catholicism are prone to corruption as is every system...belief or otherwise. The Catholic church as an entity is responsible for some horrible atrocities and some miraculous and amazing services. The same can be said IMO for just about every group and entity with a spiritual based concept and foundation.
 
Mashmont said:
Nazi Germany lasted 12 years
Soviet Union lasted 72 years.
Khmer Rouge last 9 years.
Catholic Church: 2000 years and stronger than ever.

Catholic truth perseveres.
Atheist lies crumble.
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Revelation 14:8; 17:1-3, 5, 15; 18:2, 8
 
Mashmont said:
Nazi Germany
Soviet Union
Khmer Rouge

70 million murders within 33 years. That's the atheist legacy.
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Again, with the 2 wrongs make a right stance...
 
EMNofSeattle said:
So what you have is a handful of cases, maybe 100. Over the course of 60 years?

Statistically insignificant.
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Wow I really need to do this for you. You have to be kidding.



There are hundreds of thousands of victims....likely millions
 
Sexual abuse cannot hold a candle to the lies about Jehovah God and Jesus Christ that the Catholic church has fed the masses down through the ages...
 
vegas giants said:
Wow I really need to do this for you. You have to be kidding.



There are hundreds of thousands of victims....likely millions
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Australia’s Catholic Church has a horrific abuse record, which in part prompted the government to launch a four-year national investigation into all forms of institutional abuse — Catholic and otherwise.

The landmark survey found 4,444 people were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions between 1980 and 2015.

A global look at the Catholic Church'''s sex abuse problem
 
zyzygy said:
Australia’s Catholic Church has a horrific abuse record, which in part prompted the government to launch a four-year national investigation into all forms of institutional abuse — Catholic and otherwise.

The landmark survey found 4,444 people were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions between 1980 and 2015.

A global look at the Catholic Church'''s sex abuse problem
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That's just sexual abuse. Millions of kids were beaten and humiliated by the church
 
vegas giants said:
Wow I really need to do this for you. You have to be kidding.



There are hundreds of thousands of victims....likely millions
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No there’s not. You just made that number up.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Yeah, I think it’s far more likely if his wife was raised by a religious order that her parents screwed up bad and she didn’t bond properly in early childhood and was probably a handful and these religious sisters put her into a strictly disciplined environment. Much like going to boot camp from high school. I can see how that might be traumatic, but that’s not abuse. And when I am able to look into people making these claims this is ALWAYS what I find.
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Her parents died in a car crash. Stop pontificating about subjects that you know nothing about. I was abused, would you call three strokes of a leather strap on the hand as a punishment for exposing a part of your body while dressing or undressing abuse. The girls used to have to dress and undress under a sort of tent-like shift and not expose their bodies, that's how crazy those nuns were. Of course, there is not a word of truth in that because my wife and her sisters and friends of theirs who were at the boarding school were all liars.
 
zyzygy said:
Australia’s Catholic Church has a horrific abuse record, which in part prompted the government to launch a four-year national investigation into all forms of institutional abuse — Catholic and otherwise.

The landmark survey found 4,444 people were abused at more than 1,000 Catholic institutions between 1980 and 2015.

A global look at the Catholic Church'''s sex abuse problem
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Marxist war against its archenemy, the Catholic Church.
 
zyzygy said:
Her parents died in a car crash. Stop pontificating about subjects that you know nothing about. I was abused, would you call three strokes of a leather strap on the hand as a punishment for exposing a part of your body while dressing or undressing abuse. The girls used to have to dress and undress under a sort of tent-like shift and not expose their bodies, that's how crazy those nuns were. Of course, there is not a word of truth in that because my wife and her sisters and friends of theirs who were at the boarding school were all liars.
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Assuming these people actually lived with these nuns, if it weren't for the nuns, these girls would have died. You owe your existence to them. Gratitude?

But once again, we have been diverted from the perfect nature of the Catholic Church and focused on the actions of humans.
 
Let's look at a few things:

Atheist regimes: Gone within 70 years
The Roman Catholic Church: Still thriving after 2000 years.

Atheist shack-up cohabitations: 80% are dissolved within five years
Catholic marriages: 90% are intact after five years.

Atheist pro-slavery laws in the US: Dissolved within 87 years of our country's founding
Ten Commandments: 5000 years old and still going strong.

Anti-Catholic KKK: Now down to 3000 loosely affiliated members
Catholic Knights of Columbus: Currently at it's height of 1.8 million members and growing

The trend is simple. The Catholic Church perseveres because of it's greatness. Godless enterprises fold and crumble after a short time.
 
Mashmont said:
Church membership has held steady at 16% of the world population for the last eight decades. Which means it's growing in leaps and bounds along with the worldwide population.

The sexual predator thing is exaggerated by the Marxist media whose goal is the destruction of the church. The godless public school system has many times more episodes of abuse that don't make the national media. It's because these schools are government institutions and purveyors of far left dogma. The media isn't about to go after them.
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The media is not making up stories of real life legal action against the church. The media is not forcing victims to tell their stories. Victims who were members in good standing in the church.
 
Mashmont said:
Let's look at a few things:

Atheist regimes: Gone within 70 years
The Roman Catholic Church: Still thriving after 2000 years.

Atheist shack-up cohabitations: 80% are dissolved within five years
Catholic marriages: 90% are intact after five years.

Atheist pro-slavery laws in the US: Dissolved within 87 years of our country's founding
Ten Commandments: 5000 years old and still going strong.

Anti-Catholic KKK: Now down to 3000 loosely affiliated members
Catholic Knights of Columbus: Currently at it's height of 1.8 million members and growing

The trend is simple. The Catholic Church perseveres because of it's greatness. Godless enterprises fold and crumble after a short time.
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Let's look at one thing


The catholic church has murdered, tortured, raped and abused millions of people during its existence
 
Church insurers don't consider Catholic churches higher risk or its clergy as more likely to abuse than other denominations. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has said that it doesn't see any statistical indication the Catholic Church has a greater prevalence of cases than any other setting — after accounting for the size of the church, the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. and the world" and has also observed that the common denominator is "easy access and cover" (teachers, coaches and other youth leaders as well as clergy).

From the Denver Post in 2010:

A steady stream of revelations and civil lawsuits over child sexual abuse by priests seem to signal the Catholic Church has the biggest problem with clerical scandals, but experts deny it is a hot zone of exploitation.

Insurance companies, child advocacy groups and religion scholars say there is no evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be involved in sexual misconduct than other clergy or professionals. Yet ongoing civil litigation of decades-old cases against a church with deep pockets keeps the Catholic Church in the headlines. Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
 
nota bene said:
Church insurers don't consider Catholic churches higher risk or its clergy as more likely to abuse than other denominations. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has said that it doesn't see any statistical indication the Catholic Church has a greater prevalence of cases than any other setting — after accounting for the size of the church, the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. and the world" and has also observed that the common denominator is "easy access and cover" (teachers, coaches and other youth leaders as well as clergy).

From the Denver Post in 2010:

A steady stream of revelations and civil lawsuits over child sexual abuse by priests seem to signal the Catholic Church has the biggest problem with clerical scandals, but experts deny it is a hot zone of exploitation.

Insurance companies, child advocacy groups and religion scholars say there is no evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be involved in sexual misconduct than other clergy or professionals. Yet ongoing civil litigation of decades-old cases against a church with deep pockets keeps the Catholic Church in the headlines. Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
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The problem is not just the abusers. It is the fact that they were protected by the system.
 
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