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Antisemitic beliefs spreading among evangelical Christians in America

Somerville said:
Depends on which Israeli you talk to. I have never met Mr Soros but I did meet and race sailboats with Baron Edmund de Rothschild.
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No, anyone who is for open borders like he is, that's all I need to know.
 
Somerville said:
Why are some people so unwilling, perhaps unable, to acknowledge the wide diversity found in the religion we know as Christianity? To those outside of the religion it looks like there is No True Scotsman centre.


Recent research of mine has focused on the even greater divisions found in the first four-five centuries during which Christianity spread across the lands around the Mediterranean Sea. Most Christians today may have heard of apostates and heretics but few know much of the different theological beliefs that fell under the mantle of Christianity. They may have read Epistle to the Colossians or 1 Timothy in which Paul warns of 'false teachings' but know little if anything about the heresies.
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I keep asking what these alleged divisions are and I never get an answer.
 
American said:
No, anyone who is for open borders like he is, that's all I need to know.
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THe term open boarders is quite the straw man. You do realize that 'anybody who is for open borders' is a lie, don't you?
 
Somerville said:
Why are some people so unwilling, perhaps unable, to acknowledge the wide diversity found in the religion we know as Christianity? To those outside of the religion it looks like there is No True Scotsman centre.


Recent research of mine has focused on the even greater divisions found in the first four-five centuries during which Christianity spread across the lands around the Mediterranean Sea. Most Christians today may have heard of apostates and heretics but few know much of the different theological beliefs that fell under the mantle of Christianity. They may have read Epistle to the Colossians or 1 Timothy in which Paul warns of 'false teachings' but know little if anything about the heresies.
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Good point...some blindly accept what they've been taught by their parents/church without ever questioning the truthfulness of and for the very reason you mentioned above, there is much falsehood weaved within most church doctrines...
 
Somerville said:
You are allowed to "think" whatever you want to think, that does not mean your thinking is always connected to reality. Being opposed to the resettlement issues on the West Bank does not make a person anti-semitic. Being opposed to the seemingly corrupt governance of Netanyahu does not make a person anti-semitic.

You might want to take some time and read the comments found at this link: The Growing Gap Between Israel And American Jews

Here's a link to the words of Dr Richard Land, president of Southern Evangelical Seminary, justifying The Real Reason Evangelicals Support Israel

and here's a link with a somewhat more rational explanation: THE REAL REASON AMERICANS SUPPORT ISRAEL (HINT: IT’S NOT AIPAC)
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I'll stick with what I wrote.
 
RAMOSS said:
THe term open boarders is quite the straw man. You do realize that 'anybody who is for open borders' is a lie, don't you?
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devildavid said:
So how does wikipedia tell me if any current news stories about evangelicals is about real evangelicals?
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You wanted to know what an Evangelical was. I'm not naive enough to think you actually wanted to use the information.
 
calamity said:
No way this pic is in the USA.
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You think this Open Border thing is American only? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose, Sherlock?
 
it's just me said:
You wanted to know what an Evangelical was. I'm not naive enough to think you actually wanted to use the information.
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And you seem to think that you know what a "real" evangelical is. Yet you don't provide us with the information or method you use to determine this. You just claim to know when a news story is wrong about evangelicals but don't tell us how you know it is wrong.
 
devildavid said:
And you seem to think that you know what a "real" evangelical is. Yet you don't provide us with the information or method you use to determine this. You just claim to know when a news story is wrong about evangelicals but don't tell us how you know it is wrong.
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Do you really think that Jehovah God accepts different categories of Christian?
 
Elvira said:
Do you really think that Jehovah God accepts different categories of Christian?
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What does this have to do with what I discussing? Nothing. Do you know what an evangelical is? If not, you have nothing to contribute.

Does your version of god accept different types of human beings? Or is he a bigot?
 
devildavid said:
What does this have to do with what I discussing? Nothing. Do you know what an evangelical is? If not, you have nothing to contribute.

Does your version of god accept different types of human beings? Or is he a bigot?
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It has everything to do with it...there is only one type of Christian, according to the Bible...God is not partial but He does have one requirement...

“God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.”​ Acts 10:34, 35
 
Elvira said:
It has everything to do with it...there is only one type of Christian, according to the Bible...God is not partial but He does have one requirement...

“God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.”​ Acts 10:34, 35
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According to reality, there are many types of christians, religions, and human beings. The bible fails to describe reality.
 
devildavid said:
According to reality, there are many types of christians, religions, and human beings. The bible fails to describe reality.
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According to God, there is not...who ya gonna believe?
 
devildavid said:
Better reality than made up stories about an imaginary being.
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Better to be true to those so called stories rather than to be following false doctrines...
 
it's just me said:
I keep asking what these alleged divisions are and I never get an answer.
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So, even though Paul in his epistles was ranting about the false teachers who were causing problems in some of the early gathering, you have never understood the problem.

OK, a little education for the knowledgeable Christian. Writing toward the end of the 4th century, Epiphanius stated that there were more than 80 different groups which called themselves Christian. After the orthodox beliefs became dominant owing to supported by the Empire, these 'heretical' groups were erased from history, though we have learned a bit by document discoveries during the 20th century, such as the Nag Hammadi collection found by an Egyptian farmer in 1945.

A few of the early churches:
Ebionites, the earliest group that might be seen as Christian, those trying to live as they understood the Messiah had taught while at the same time adhering to the traditional Jewish religious practices, which included male circumcision. James the Just was the leader of this group in Jerusalem.

Gnostics, those with knowledge, from the Greek gnosis. They saw the Tanakh as the work of an inferior deity and that only the Christ could lead the believers back to worship of the true God. To reach true salvation required a special knowledge that could only be understood by those who were willing to study the appropriate texts. As with other early beliefs, we know little about the Gnostics except for the attacks upon them by early orthodox writers such as Origen and Tertullian.

Docetics, a belief mirrored in John 1 that Jesus existed before becoming human. There were several groups falling into this category: those who believed the Jesus they knew was only an image, what we would call a hologram, then there were those who believed Jesus entered into a human body at the time of the baptism by John and left the human during the crucifixion. Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34.
One offspring of the Docetics were those we know as Adoptionists, what they called themselves we don't know. The Jesus who walked the roads of Judea and preached was a human who had been 'adopted' by God and who really did die on the cross. The Jesus seen after the crucifixion was the image and not a physical being.

Marcionites, created by Marcion of Sinope. "Marcion believed that Jesus was the savior sent by God, and Paul the Apostle was his chief apostle, but he rejected the Hebrew Bible and the God of Israel. Marcionists believed that the wrathful Hebrew God was a separate and lower entity than the all-forgiving God of the New Testament.

Marcionism, similar to Gnosticism, depicted the God of the Old Testament as a tyrant or demiurge (see also God as the Devil). Marcion was the son of a bishop of Sinope in Pontus. About the middle of the second century (140–155) he traveled to Rome, where he joined the Syrian Gnostic Cerdo.[2]

Marcion's canon, possibly the first Christian canon ever compiled, consisted of eleven books: a gospel consisting of ten sections drawn from the Gospel of Luke; and ten Pauline epistles"

Arians, believed that Jesus was neither man nor God but instead more of a heavenly being greater than any angel but less than the supreme deity. Not quite adoptionism but almost - because what true deity could actually suffer a physical crucifixion. Origen of Alexandria, seen as one of the earliest expositors of Christian theology, wrote that Jesus was less than his Father, a belief of many early Christians before the development of trinitarian theology.
 
Elvira said:
Better to be true to those so called stories rather than to be following false doctrines...
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Better to live in reality than follow any doctrines. All doctrines are false.
 
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