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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by zyzygy View Post
    Xmas and Easter are pagan festivals.
    Yes, they are, but adopted by Christianity. Holidays can change meaning or culture. When my mother was born in the 1930's, November 11 was Armistice Day. Now, we call it Veteran's Day. The meaning was changed. I would bet if you asked most every American the meaning of Cinco de Mayo they would have never heard of the Battle of Puebla or even know the French had been in Mexico. It's a day to drink too much Mexican beer and get sick on Chimichanga and burritos.

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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    "If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good." Romans 12:18;21

    And more...Matthew 5:9; Matthew 26:52; Romans 8:6-8; Ephesians 6:15; 1 Thessalonians 5:13; 2 Timothy 2:22-24; Hebrews 12:14; James 3:18; 1 Peter 3:11; 2 Peter 3:14...
    I thought you were talking about actual evidence, not a circular argument.

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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    Yes, they are, but adopted by Christianity. Holidays can change meaning or culture. When my mother was born in the 1930's, November 11 was Armistice Day. Now, we call it Veteran's Day. The meaning was changed. I would bet if you asked most every American the meaning of Cinco de Mayo they would have never heard of the Battle of Puebla or even know the French had been in Mexico. It's a day to drink too much Mexican beer and get sick on Chimichanga and burritos.
    But should they be observed by Christians, considering what the Bible says on how God feels about paganism? That is the $64,000 question...
    "However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron." 1 Timothy 4:1,2

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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    I thought you were talking about actual evidence, not a circular argument.
    Being peaceable is a true mark of a Christian, according to the Bible...no more evidence is needed...
    "However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron." 1 Timothy 4:1,2

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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    Most people have a religion. Always have. Nowadays it might be secular.
    My religion is the oft-confirmed belief that nothing screws up goodness, generosity, love, kindness, grace and understanding the way organized religion does. Of course not everyone IN organized religion does this, but it is the nature of the beast, and those who manage to do good are often outliers. Indeed, some who try to do the most good are often ostracized in their own congregation. Again, it is in the nature of organized religion so it is no surprise.

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    Side note: I was raised Catholic by my mother, under orders from the Church because she married a Jewish man, then I was told immediately before my Confirmation that my spiritual fate might be in question "as the product of an unholy union" and thus my salvation was not assured.
    That was the end of my Catholic upbringing.

    I studied Buddhism, studied Judaism and along the way to adulthood I dabbled in a few variants, then when I married my second (and final - keeper) wife we joined the local Nazarene church.

    I arrived at my conclusions from direct personal experience. This is not a failing of Christianity alone, it is apparently the nature of all organized religions.
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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hondo View Post
    We don't know how old Mary was, that's all that I'm saying. Kids grew up faster in the ancient world. Bar and Bat Mitzvah are 13 and 12. Lot was 14 when he asked Uncle Abe for some land. We know Muhammad had a 9 year-old wife. I don't know if he had sex with the 9 year-old, but it makes a good joke.

    What is a sad joke today is that Americans are nowhere near as mature as they once were just decades ago. My parents expected a lot. When I was 18, I felt like a man. I was raised to be responsible. Parents were totally absent from college campus even at orientation. Now, at my alma mater, parents are in line with kids guiding them through scheduling their courses. Parents weren't allowed in the dorms at my college campus. If a girl needed a fridge carried up to the 4th floor, they snagged us guys. Since it was a Catholic college with no co-ed dorms, we'd be standing there in the elevator holding fridges, "Men on 4th Floor! Men on 4th Floor!" I think even that helped us grow up by creating an environment where we are now the grown-ups.
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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Being peaceable is a true mark of a Christian, according to the Bible...no more evidence is needed...
    That doesn't explain why you believe anything the bible says. You can be "peaceable" without it.

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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tlrmln View Post
    That doesn't explain why you believe anything the bible says. You can be "peaceable" without it.
    You can...that was not my point...how many Christian organizations do you know of who follow the Bible's guidance on that? Or this one...

    "By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.”" John 13:35

    "If anyone says, “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For the one who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen." 1 John 4:20
    "However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron." 1 Timothy 4:1,2

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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Wrong...one fruit of true religion is peace between men of all nationalities and races...
    That statement would support there is no true religion, since war exists.
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    Re: Christians: Why aren't you Muslim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    That is a lie...
    Please show there is no war. That is the fruit. That is the first requirement to show a 'true religion'.
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    "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."

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