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[W: 330] Why People Hate Religion

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Wrong...I strive to serve God better...something that is worthwhile instead of something frivolous...btw there is no such thing as fate...
But you just said that god was coming back to earth soon, the earth would face a predicted destruction. That would be fate.

God gave you free will, it is better to use it to make change than to moan about how bad others are and try to raise yourself so high above them you feel you are safe from whatever fate awaits them.

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But you just said that god was coming back to earth soon, the earth would face a predicted destruction. That would be fate.

God gave you free will, it is better to use it to make change than to moan about how bad others are and try to raise yourself so high above them you feel you are safe from whatever fate awaits them.

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Not the earth, the world we live in ruled by Satan...there is a difference...the Bible says the earth will stand forever and it was created to be inhabited...I hope to be one of the ones who live upon it...Psalm 37:9-11;29...
 
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Since God is good, obeying Him can be nothing but good...obedience to Him can bring us nothing but good...

"He said to him: “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If, though, you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually.” Matthew 19:17

The bottom line is still that perfection means perfect obedience to a tyrant.
 
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Wrong...that is the best way to live your life free of anguish and regrets...

How so? Being a believer in Christianity does not mean you will have no anguish and regrets. In fact, it may cause you to have more.
 
Sadly, the historical ignorance shown here and in other comments by others is a large factor in the increasing separation in the American political world.

As long as you promulgate a Economic/Political ideology that always fails and while failing kills millions of people, real Americans like me will always oppose/fight you. Obviously you are the one with the historical ignorance.
 
As long as you promulgate a Economic/Political ideology that always fails and while failing kills millions of people, real Americans like me will always oppose/fight you. Obviously you are the one with the historical ignorance.

So how many millions did capitalism kill in the same period?

Your statement is irrelevant if you don't know. What if capitalism killed more? They certainly killed a lot, fighting communism and making profits.
 
So how many millions did capitalism kill in the same period?

Your statement is irrelevant if you don't know. What if capitalism killed more? They certainly killed a lot, fighting communism and making profits.

Free market economies have killed none, in fact it has on net have saved lives. Nothing has lifted more people out of starving poverty.

An authoritarian centralized Government is essential element for any type of Holocaust, and without an authoritarian centralized Government it's impossible for any collectivist ideology like Socialism to exist or function.
 
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Raptured? No, but I do believe there will be ones saved...

That’s not a realistic position to take.
 
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Not the earth, the world we live in ruled by Satan...there is a difference...the Bible says the earth will stand forever and it was created to be inhabited...I hope to be one of the ones who live upon it...Psalm 37:9-11;29...
That would still be fate, our fate. It is set to happen to us (according to you).

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Free market economies have killed none, in fact it has on net have saved lives. Nothing has lifted more people out of starving poverty.
"Free market economies"? Like the Gilded Age with child labour, zero pollution regulations, zero drug regulations (Do you know why Coca Cola has its name?), zero laws governing monopolies, military units attacking worker protests and strikes and on and on. Ever hear of the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? I don't think the number of people killed by "free market" economics can ever be determined but I'm sure that it is more than a couple hundred.

An authoritarian centralized Government is essential element for any type of Holocaust, and without an authoritarian centralized Government it's impossible for any collectivist ideology like Socialism to exist or function.
Ah yes, one must always compare SOCIALISM (wish I had some scary font to use here) and modern Social Democracy. Nevermind that SOCIALISM has never really been much more than a label used by authoritarian dictators to cover what their systems actually embody.
 
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The fake preachers often are that too.

Fake scholars often think that Jesus was not very Christlike, if they even know who he is.
 
"Free market economies"? Like the Gilded Age with child labor, zero pollution regulations, zero drug regulations (Do you know why Coca Cola has its name?), zero laws governing monopolies, military units attacking worker protests and strikes and on and on. Ever hear of the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? I don't think the number of people killed by "free market" economics can ever be determined but I'm sure that it is more than a couple hundred.

The list of victims you listed here probably number in the few thousands. Those figures also exist alongside the pace at which the institutions of free markets, elected governments and the rule of law increasingly pull horribly poor people by the millions out of their conditions. As far as we know, it's the only scheme that has ever worked to do that. On net balance, I'd say the western world has luckily stumbled upon the right way to organize societies. Of course, you may credit some government programs for spreading around the wealth markets allowed to create as a libertarian nirvana is nowhere to be found on Earth. It doesn't mean that all such programs do what they supposed to do, on the other hand, but from a bird's eye view, we seem to be a fairly lucky bunch against the background of human history.

Nevermind that socialism has never really been much more than a label used by authoritarian dictators to cover what their systems actually embody.

I do not understand this obsession with people desiring to appropriate themselves the label of socialism given the horrendous publicity it conveys among historically literate people. However, I don't wish to rebuke your claims on a matter of semantics.

The general problem with what most people call socialism was roughly the same problem with what most people call fascism. In both cases, the intention was to instrumentalize the State at the service of a social vision. People who called themselves socialist believed conflicts within society hinged on the privileges of a bourgeois class and that most of our social ills would die along with the class structure if only the workers would manage production collectively. In practice, this eventually meant that the State would manage the means of production and that all rights of individuals were discarded in the name of the social vision. People who called themselves fascists were not much different given that most of them were actually socialists. The disagreement hinged on the collective appropriation of the means of production: fascists allowed you to keep your business, but you had to use it to serve the State. Save for the racism and antisemitism of Hitler, I am sure many people on the left today would have loved the man. He was all about public housing, public programs, public services, and even environmental protection. He expanded pages upon pages of speech railing against financiers and bankers, saying they were worthless thieves that contribute nothing to society. Mussolini wasn't very different, except he wasn't nearly as racist or antisemite and he wrote extensively in socialist publications.

It is because they did away with the concept of individual rights and liberties that tens of millions of people died. They repeated the mistakes of the French Revolution on a massive scale. The key to making things work is to commit to respecting individual rights and liberties and to place this protection above the power of governments in a way that is irrevocable. If you place government power, or the power of anyone for that matter, above those principles, I guarantee you misery, poverty, sickness, and mass murders will ensue. That's just human history everywhere all the time, save for a handful of countries over a little more than a century. Thanks to limited government and an increasing concern for individual rights, wealth was created and spread further and faster than ever before.
 
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Fake scholars often think that Jesus was not very Christlike, if they even know who he is.

Oh, it's not the scholars that do it. What it is that the fake scholars that think they are Christlike.
 
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Oh, it's not the scholars that do it. What it is that the fake scholars that think they are Christlike.

No, fake scholars usually think they are God. They think they know more about you than you know about yourself, but they really don't know jack
 
No, fake scholars usually think they are God. They think they know more about you than you know about yourself, but they really don't know jack

Yes, religious apologist "scholars" don't know jack.
 
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Fake scholars often think that Jesus was not very Christlike, if they even know who he is.

Christians are not Christ-like. Jesus, if he existed, probably tried convincing his people not to be such assholes. It did not take, obviously.
 
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Christians are not Christ-like. Jesus, if he existed, probably tried convincing his people not to be such assholes. It did not take, obviously.

So you don't know what he said, but you don't mind talking about it.
 
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Christians are not Christ-like. Jesus, if he existed, probably tried convincing his people not to be such assholes. It did not take, obviously.

Actually, he told us what kind of assholes we were going to run into, and sure enough...
 
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No, fake scholars usually think they are God. They think they know more about you than you know about yourself, but they really don't know jack

That is a rather strange claim. It sounds more like bigoted rhetoric than a fact. Can you support that claim with something other than rhetoric? I suspect that you will not be able to support your claim. It looks like a biased opinion rather than accurate.
 
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