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[W: 330] Why People Hate Religion

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I am talking about possibility. If something is impossible, then not knowing if it is possible or not will not affect it being possible.
How do you prove something is impossible? Very few things can be proven to be impossible.

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How do you prove something is impossible? Very few things can be proven to be impossible.

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You can use 'proof by contradiction'. And, just because we don't have the knowledge to PROVE something is impossible doesn't mean it is not impossible to begin with. It's either possible, or not possible, and our capabilities to show that has nothing to do it being possible or not possible. Proving something to be impossible, and actually have it being impossible are two different things.
 
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You are still doing it for selfish purposes when done through Christian charity. You are trying to prove yourself worthy before your God which is no more selfless than simply doing it to feel better about yourself in helping others. It's still all about the good feelings.

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You don't know what you're talking about. If I wanted to play the Ramoss card I'd say "prove it". And you can't. So keep your judgements to yourself.
 
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You don't know what you're talking about. If I wanted to play the Ramoss card I'd say "prove it". And you can't. So keep your judgements to yourself.
Do you get a good feeling when you are charitable to others, helping others? Do you feel that you are doing what god wants you to do?

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You can use 'proof by contradiction'. And, just because we don't have the knowledge to PROVE something is impossible doesn't mean it is not impossible to begin with. It's either possible, or not possible, and our capabilities to show that has nothing to do it being possible or not possible. Proving something to be impossible, and actually have it being impossible are two different things.
You can't actually prove most things are impossible. A few things, sure. But they are very specific things usually dealing with time (within our universe) or laws of physics(again within our known universe). Afterlife would potentially be outside of that, therefore almost anything is possible when it comes to an afterlife, since we can't know with the data we have.

Possibility is relative and dependent on plenty of factors. It is possible that I could win the lottery if I play the lottery. Someone could play the lottery for me and give me the winning ticket but then that would depend on your point of view whether that would count as being me winning the lottery or someone else winning and giving their prize to me.

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You can't actually prove most things are impossible. A few things, sure. But they are very specific things usually dealing with time (within our universe) or laws of physics(again within our known universe). Afterlife would potentially be outside of that, therefore almost anything is possible when it comes to an afterlife, since we can't know with the data we have.

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How do you know it's might be possible? All we can say is we do not know if it is possible or not. You are taking an unknown and making statements about it, not having enough data to make that judgement. After all, it is also possible that an afterlife is impossible.
 
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Do you get a good feeling when you are charitable to others, helping others? Do you feel that you are doing what god wants you to do?

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Why is that wrong?

"There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving." Acts 20:35
 
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Why is that wrong?

"There is more happiness in giving than there is in receiving." Acts 20:35
It's not wrong. I am showing that there is the same selfishness in Christian's getting to experience that feeling by giving, doing charitable deeds as there would be in Satanists, atheists, or agnostics doing those deeds. There is no evidence that any one of those groups is doing it for more selfish reasons than another is.

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How do you know it's might be possible? All we can say is we do not know if it is possible or not. You are taking an unknown and making statements about it, not having enough data to make that judgement. After all, it is also possible that an afterlife is impossible.
Does the potential for an afterlife to not exist not exist? If not, then explain how the potential for no afterlife could not exist. Possibility is relative to our knowledge. If that knowledge changes, then our possibilities change. But from our current knowledge, an afterlife is possible and no afterlife is possible.

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Does the potential for an afterlife to not exist not exist? If not, then explain how the potential for no afterlife could not exist. Possibility is relative to our knowledge. If that knowledge changes, then our possibilities change. But from our current knowledge, an afterlife is possible and no afterlife is possible.

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And, I would call it 'we do not know if an afterlife is possible or not' . Our knowledge, or lack there of, does not change the possiblity or impossiblity. There is either an afterlife, or this is not
 
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Do you get a good feeling when you are charitable to others, helping others? Do you feel that you are doing what god wants you to do?

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I feel like I am mitigating the pain of another human being. Is that a problem for you? It's neither good or bad, it just is. Better than standing around picking your nose.

You've got a lot to learn.
 
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I feel like I am mitigating the pain of another human being. Is that a problem for you? It's neither good or bad, it just is. Better than standing around picking your nose.

You've got a lot to learn.
Then that could easily be the same for a Satanist or agnostic or anyone of any other religion or none. But that almost certainly makes you feel good to it, which isnt a bad thing. It just makes it hypocritical to claim others are doing it for selfish reasons when they could have the very same reason you have stated without sharing your religion.

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And, I would call it 'we do not know if an afterlife is possible or not' . Our knowledge, or lack there of, does not change the possiblity or impossiblity. There is either an afterlife, or this is not
There could be both. An afterlife for some and not for others. Our particular universe or dimension could easily not be the only one and maybe some of those universes have an afterlife or don't have an afterlife and we do, or maybe we dont.

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There could be both. An afterlife for some and not for others. Our particular universe or dimension could easily not be the only one and maybe some of those universes have an afterlife or don't have an afterlife and we do, or maybe we dont.

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Even if it were for some, then there is an afterlife. Of course, we could confuse the whole issue, and ask 'could you please define what the afterlife is' first.
 
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That is not religion...that is the truth of the Bible...

The bible?

God's holy book

What a crock

So every other religion on earth got it wrong

Weak people need to believe there is a genie behind the curtain. That there is a purpose to their life.

Religions have done a great job of exploiting this need. Controlling people is what it is really about. That heaven and hell sales pitch is a great one. No chance anyone is going to come back and call BS on that one.
 
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Then that could easily be the same for a Satanist or agnostic or anyone of any other religion or none. But that almost certainly makes you feel good to it, which isnt a bad thing. It just makes it hypocritical to claim others are doing it for selfish reasons when they could have the very same reason you have stated without sharing your religion.

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I get tired of people like you telling people like me that we are insincere when you cant prove a damn thing. I get tired of people like you claiming that the church is some kind of moneymaking racket when all you know is what some scandal sheet says about somebody like Joel Osteen. Now how about backing up these claims of yours with something solid instead of prejudice?
 
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I get tired of people like you telling people like me that we are insincere when you cant prove a damn thing. I get tired of people like you claiming that the church is some kind of moneymaking racket when all you know is what some scandal sheet says about somebody like Joel Osteen. Now how about backing up these claims of yours with something solid instead of prejudice?
I didnt say any of those things you just claimed. "People like you" is your attempt to put others into some group you can try to do some of the things are accusing me of doing as a whole. People are individuals. People don't equal their church or their religion or beliefs (or lack of). You started out by claiming Satanists who did charity work weren't doing it for the same reasons you were, claiming they (as a group) were all doing charity work for some selfish reason. Then you finally give us the reason you do charity work, which is then pointed out as a reason some Satanists and others who aren't Christians will do charity work. And you go off on some tangent about accusations that weren't made. All charity work, good deeds comes with some selfishness, even if just for the good feelings. That doesn't make them bad or mean you are doing them for the "wrong" reasons. It just means you're human.

Giving glory to god doesn't make something less selfish than when someone else does it (possibly with giving no glory to anyone). No one has to give glory to anyone for just doing good.

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I didnt say any of those things you just claimed. "People like you" is your attempt to put others into some group you can try to do some of the things are accusing me of doing as a whole. People are individuals. People don't equal their church or their religion or beliefs (or lack of). You started out by claiming Satanists who did charity work weren't doing it for the same reasons you were, claiming they (as a group) were all doing charity work for some selfish reason. Then you finally give us the reason you do charity work, which is then pointed out as a reason some Satanists and others who aren't Christians will do charity work. And you go off on some tangent about accusations that weren't made. All charity work, good deeds comes with some selfishness, even if just for the good feelings. That doesn't make them bad or mean you are doing them for the "wrong" reasons. It just means you're human.

Giving glory to god doesn't make something less selfish than when someone else does it (possibly with giving no glory to anyone). No one has to give glory to anyone for just doing good.

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They can't be doing it for the same reasons we do, they don't have the mandate. Get it? They don't have the mandate we do. So they are not doing it for the same reasons we do. Don't accuse us of "selfish" motivations, that may be your motivation but it isn't mine.
 
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They can't be doing it for the same reasons we do, they don't have the mandate. Get it? They don't have the mandate we do. So they are not doing it for the same reasons we do. Don't accuse us of "selfish" motivations, that may be your motivation but it isn't mine.

When it comes to feeding the poor, how does the motivation matter? All the poor care about is getting properly fed.
 
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For most of those who hate the Christian religion - it's because they don't like the moral laws that
come with it! Plain and simple. :shrug:



It's not Christianity's fault that Christians commit sins.
Even if sinners are church authorities, they're still people who struggle with temptation.

It's okay to point at Christians' hypocrisy - but, let's not blame the religion for it.

Anyway - that POLITICAL OPINION piece smacks of ignorance of Christianity.
Same old, same old of those who criticize Christianity (and Christians). As usual.

It's good though, that you stated it's just an opinion.
Meh - he's entitled to it.

We have a very self centered society and in many cases we are teaching our youth the wrong things. The faults of a few are not reason to condemn religion. If you study religion you will find the fault in mankind and not religion. Christian religions in America are among the most giving charitable organizations that exist.
Religious people more likely to give to charity, study shows - Washington Times
 
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They can't be doing it for the same reasons we do, they don't have the mandate. Get it? They don't have the mandate we do. So they are not doing it for the same reasons we do. Don't accuse us of "selfish" motivations, that may be your motivation but it isn't mine.

So if you are doing it just to satisfy a mandate, then that is not doing it for unselfish reasons?. You are doing it because you are instructed to do it by your God. That is selfish. It is necessary to do it so you don't get in trouble with your god. How is that no selfish?
 
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We have a very self centered society and in many cases we are teaching our youth the wrong things. The faults of a few are not reason to condemn religion. If you study religion you will find the fault in mankind and not religion. Christian religions in America are among the most giving charitable organizations that exist.
Religious people more likely to give to charity, study shows - Washington Times

How much of that is 'tithing to the church'??? And, out of the 'tithing to the church' , how much of that actually goes to the poor people, rather than the upkeep of the church, paying for the maitinance of the church, funding programs for the church members, such as religious schooling, and outing, and other things that directly benefit the person doing the 'tithing'?
 
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We have a very self centered society and in many cases we are teaching our youth the wrong things. The faults of a few are not reason to condemn religion. If you study religion you will find the fault in mankind and not religion. Christian religions in America are among the most giving charitable organizations that exist.
Religious people more likely to give to charity, study shows - Washington Times

And that study was shown to be full of flaws, which included giving to a church, even when such giving is mandated by the church and goes to church causes and purposes. While this is giving to others, so is giving money to help your own family, which also cannot be claimed on taxes, unlike giving to church can. We honestly don't know who gives more or for what reasons. And giving to charity is pretty subjective when determining how charitable or giving a person is. And at least one study suggests that it is the sense of community, of belonging that causes people to give, not their religion or even the strength of their religious beliefs.

It’s Social Ties—Not Religion—That Makes the Faithful Give to Charity | TIME.com
 
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If you are a Christian, you can't have liberal ideas?

Was this guy a Christian? Bishop spent millions in church funds on luxury travel, including private jets to the Jersey Shore, report says

Was this guy a Christian? Anti-LGBT Republican resigns after accusations he used gay dating app to meet way-younger men

Of course neither man was really a Christian - right? :roll:

Lots of wolves in sheep's clothing, right Somerville? Beware of Liberal Fundamentalism!
 
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When it comes to feeding the poor, how does the motivation matter? All the poor care about is getting properly fed.

Because I can't help but notice how some of y'all's "charity" only goes as far as your politics.
 
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