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[W: 330] Why People Hate Religion

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I don't fully agree with the title of this Opinion piece but I do agree with much of what the author writes.

Why People Hate Religion

The charlatans and phonies preen and punish, while those of real faith do Christ’s work among refugees.

You don’t hear much about Sister Norma Pimentel in the secular press. She’s not a wacko, a hypocrite, a sexual predator or a political operative. Her life’s work, she says, is guided by seeing “the presence of God” in migrant children in the shelter she oversees in the Rio Grande Valley — vulnerable souls that her president would otherwise put in cages.

What you hear about is the phonies, the charlatans who wave Bibles, the theatrically pious, and they are legion. Vice President Mike Pence wears his faith like a fluorescent orange vest. But when he visited the border this summer and saw human beings crammed like cordwood in the Texas heat, that faith was invisible.
(. . .)
Pence is the chief bootlicker to a president who now sees himself in messianic terms, a president who tweets a description of himself as “the second coming of God.” As hard as it is to see God Part II boasting about grabbing a woman’s genitals, paying hush money to a porn actress, or calling neo-Nazis “very fine people,” millions of overtly religious Americans believe in some version of Jesus Trump, Superstar.
(. . .)
White evangelical Christians, the rotting core of Trump’s base, profess to be guided by biblical imperatives. They’re not. Their religion is Play-Doh. They have become more like Trump, not the other way around. It’s a devil’s pact, to use words they would understand.

In one of the most explicit passages of the New Testament, Christ says people will be judged by how they treat the hungry, the poor, the least among us. And yet, only 25 percent of white evangelicals say their country has some responsibility to take in refugees.

Evangelicals give cover to an amoral president because they believe God is using him to advance their causes. “There has never been anyone who has defended us and who has fought for us, who we have loved more than Donald J. Trump,” said Ralph Reed at a meeting of professed Christian activists earlier this summer.

I don't think young Americans "Hate Religion" as much as they hate the hypocrisy of some who while they call themselves Christian are acting in most un-Christ like ways. Support for this idea is found when younger Americans are asked about their religious beliefs - many now say they have no religion yet still believe in a god.

Why millennials are really leaving religion (it’s not just politics, folks)

A couple of decades ago, when young adults began showing their dissatisfaction with organized religion by voting with their feet, it was fashionable for pundits to say this was happening because those religions weren’t conservative or demanding enough.

Because the exodus was initially most pronounced among liberal, “mainline” Protestants like Episcopalians and Presbyterians, it was easy to point at liberalism as the root of the problem.
(. . .)
But now the “strict churches” theory is crumbling because some strict denominations are themselves charting losses, or at least slower growth. The Southern Baptists have lost more than a million members over the last decade, according to LifeWay. Giving and attendance are down, and Southern Baptists are seeing more gray and silver heads in the pews.
(. . .)
Young adults are leaving religion in droves, . . . They’re not all atheists. About one-third of U.S. nones say religion is somewhat or very important in their lives and most say they believe in God
 
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I hate religion for all those reasons and more...
 
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That it's false and poisons people's minds.

Richard Dawkins tries to explain the power that religion has by exploring how we're programmed that way.

From birth we're programmed to obey authority figures to not eat colorful berries, don't touch hot things etc until we do things from a Classical Conditioning reaction ... often contrary to the evidence.


There's an example of a school on fire and kids running past a fire exit because it had been drilled into them not to use it as a convenient exit over the years.
 
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Hmm... how many refugees or homeless have you taken in or fed? Far too many use the "I gave at the office/church" or "I paid my taxes" excuse to cover for their personal inaction. There is a huge difference between charitable giving/volunteering and forced taxation of others to give in your name or to support your pet causes of the day.
 
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I don't fully agree with the title of this Opinion piece but I do agree with much of what the author writes.



I don't think young Americans "Hate Religion" as much as they hate the hypocrisy of some who while they call themselves Christian are acting in most un-Christ like ways. Support for this idea is found when younger Americans are asked about their religious beliefs - many now say they have no religion yet still believe in a god.

For most of those who hate the Christian religion - it's because they don't like the moral laws that
come with it! Plain and simple. :shrug:



It's not Christianity's fault that Christians commit sins.
Even if sinners are church authorities, they're still people who struggle with temptation.

It's okay to point at Christians' hypocrisy - but, let's not blame the religion for it.

Anyway - that POLITICAL OPINION piece smacks of ignorance of Christianity.
Same old, same old of those who criticize Christianity (and Christians). As usual.

It's good though, that you stated it's just an opinion.
Meh - he's entitled to it.
 
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Hmm... how many refugees or homeless have you taken in or fed? Far too many use the "I gave at the office/church" or "I paid my taxes" excuse to cover for their personal inaction. There is a huge difference between charitable giving/volunteering and forced taxation of others to give in your name or to support your pet causes of the day.

I have taken in homeless people on 3 different occasions to live with me for up to 6 months on 3 different occasions. I also took in a young lady who got kicked out of the house when she was 18, and managed to get her through high school, and helped her get her college education. That was.. very demanding and educational.
 
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Non-religious people can also do good deeds.
 
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I don't fully agree with the title of this Opinion piece but I do agree with much of what the author writes.

I don't think young Americans "Hate Religion" as much as they hate the hypocrisy of some who while they call themselves Christian are acting in most un-Christ like ways. Support for this idea is found when younger Americans are asked about their religious beliefs - many now say they have no religion yet still believe in a god.

This is very close in my opinion as to why one of the fastest growing minorities in this nation are those that are "unaffiliated" with religion.

Various studies have looked at this, with all sorts of statistical analytics, but it usually ends with older generation sociological trends in comparison to millennial sociological trends. There is a strong sense of hypocrisy and aristocracy of course (amplified by the behavior of various "conservative" leaders, behaviors of religious leadership across the board, the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal, splits in various religions time and time again, and of course the gay marriage debate) but there is also the matter of our political trends which arguably lean more liberal by age bracket and that clashes with what social conservatism claims it stands for largely representing our aging population.

The other item of note is "unaffiliated" with religion can include those who have some sort of belief however mild, but also include agnostics and atheists.

If you subscribe to the results of various Pew studies, or those from various Universities looking at the same thing, they all somewhat agree that almost 1 in 5 in this nation are in that "unaffiliated" category in some regard. We assume the population of the US is around 327 million people using even numbers, so roughly 65 million people are running around without that religious affiliation. By pure numeric comparison that is a bigger population than the percentage of the US that is Black, or Hispanic. That is also a much bigger population than that of the NRA, or ACLU, or any active labor union in the US today.

Yet this large minority has no voice in governance, religion sure does. That is starting to not settle very well.
 
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Hmm... how many refugees or homeless have you taken in or fed? Far too many use the "I gave at the office/church" or "I paid my taxes" excuse to cover for their personal inaction. There is a huge difference between charitable giving/volunteering and forced taxation of others to give in your name or to support your pet causes of the day.

Some people mistakenly think that is the focus of Christianity when all they have to consider is the focus of Jesus Christ and the apostles when they were on earth...feeding of the poor was obviously not it, since Jesus stated...

"For you always have the poor with you, and you can do them good whenever you want to, but you will not always have me." Mark 14:7

The sick and the poor will always be present in this system of things...we can, and we should, do good things for them when possible but Jesus' and the apostle's main focus was preaching the good news of the kingdom, which would put an end to the sick and the poor forever...the only real hope for mankind...

But he said to them: “I must also declare the good news of the Kingdom of God to other cities, because for this I was sent.” Luke 4:43

declare the good news: The Greek verb used here, eu·ag·ge·liʹzo·mai (“to declare good news”), appears 54 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. It is frequently found in Luke’s writings. (Lu 1:19; 2:10; 3:18; 4:18; 8:1; 9:6; 20:1; Ac 5:42; 8:4; 10:36; 11:20; 13:32; 14:15, 21; 15:35; 16:10; 17:18) There is a difference between the term ke·rysʹso, “to preach; to proclaim” (Mt 3:1; 4:17; 24:14; Lu 4:18, 19; 8:1, 39; 9:2; 24:47; Ac 8:5; 28:31; Re 5:2), and eu·ag·ge·liʹzo·mai, “to declare good news.” The former stresses the manner of the proclamation, that it is a public, authorized pronouncement. The latter stresses the content thereof, the declaring or bringing of “the good news.” The related noun eu·ag·geʹli·on (“good news”) appears 76 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures.​—See study notes on Mt 4:23; 24:14 and Glossary, “Good news, the.”

the Kingdom of God: Throughout the Christian Greek Scriptures, the good news is closely linked with God’s Kingdom, the theme of Jesus’ preaching and teaching. The expression “the Kingdom of God” appears 32 times in Luke’s Gospel, 14 times in Mark’s Gospel, and 4 times in Matthew’s Gospel. However, Matthew used the synonymous expression “the Kingdom of the heavens” some 30 times.

Luke 4 — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
 
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Some people mistakenly think that is the focus of Christianity when all they have to consider is the focus of Jesus Christ and the apostles when they were on earth...feeding of the poor was obviously not it, since Jesus stated...

"For you always have the poor with you, and you can do them good whenever you want to, but you will not always have me." Mark 14:7

The sick and the poor will always be present in this system of things...we can, and we should, do good things for them when possible but Jesus' and the apostle's main focus was preaching the good news of the kingdom, which would put an end to the sick and the poor forever...the only real hope for mankind...

But he said to them: “I must also declare the good news of the Kingdom of God to other cities, because for this I was sent.” Luke 4:43



Luke 4 — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

That ^^^^ is why I hate religion.
 
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That is not religion...that is the truth of the Bible...

Hmm... well excuse me for thinking that the Bible was a religious text. ;)
 
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That is not religion...that is the truth of the Bible...

No, that is one religion's interpretation of a bible, a book that is religiously oriented.
 
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You don’t hear much about Sister Norma Pimentel in the secular press. She’s not a wacko, a hypocrite, a sexual predator or a political operative. Her life’s work, she says, is guided by seeing “the presence of God” in migrant children in the shelter she oversees in the Rio Grande Valley — vulnerable souls that her president would otherwise put in cages.
Ironically, I actually think this is a key part of the problem. The writer presents the idea that this nun is good because she is Christian, because of what (she believes) she heard from God. The validity of her work isn’t being rationally explained and justified, it is automatically deemed positive by definition.

The creates the problem of when other people who claim to be doing the work of God do “bad” things. Because the definitive association between what a person does and their beliefs has been established by the earlier example, they have to make all those logical twists and turns to disconnect the “bad” from belief in God without disconnecting the “good”. That becomes even more difficult when there are different opinions over whether the acts in question are actually “bad”.
 
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The problem of evil

How can a Theist accept the existence of evil and the existence of a god ?

That seems to fall under the "God works in mysterious ways" escape clause.
 
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That seems to fall under the "God works in mysterious ways" escape clause.

Yes it does.

The JW seem to have a unique get-out-of-jail-fee card on this though.


Evil exists at god's pleasure. Satan releases evil and god wants to show how his kingdom will be better than Satan's.

I ventured the opinion that we've got that by now...two world wars were the icing on the cake as it were

Seemingly however, the JW are no longer in the business of predicting when god feels enough proof has been gathered and remains oddly silent on his return date to them.
 
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That seems to fall under the "God works in mysterious ways" escape clause.

For most of those who hate the Christian religion - it's because they don't like the moral laws that
come with it! Plain and simple. :shrug:



It's not Christianity's fault that Christians commit sins.
Even if sinners are church authorities, they're still people who struggle with temptation.

It's okay to point at Christians' hypocrisy - but, let's not blame the religion for it.

Anyway - that POLITICAL OPINION piece smacks of ignorance of Christianity.
Same old, same old of those who criticize Christianity (and Christians). As usual.

It's good though, that you stated it's just an opinion.
Meh - he's entitled to it.

Religion is defined by the people who practice it and more often than not that practice is a disgraceful scam that preys upon the feeble minded and desperate to sate man’s lust for power. Take Prosperity Gospel for instance - an entire Christian sect with simony at its very core. Give Joel Osteen all your money and some deity will reward you. Or the Roman Catholic Church which is pretty big on moral laws except as it applies to the men who run it.
 
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Religion is defined by the people who practice it and more often than not that practice is a disgraceful scam that preys upon the feeble minded and desperate to sate man’s lust for power. Take Prosperity Gospel for instance - an entire Christian sect with simony at its very core. Give Joel Osteen all your money and some deity will reward you. Or the Roman Catholic Church which is pretty big on moral laws except as it applies to the men who run it.

The church is more interested in our money than our souls ?
 
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I don't fully agree with the title of this Opinion piece but I do agree with much of what the author writes.



I don't think young Americans "Hate Religion" as much as they hate the hypocrisy of some who while they call themselves Christian are acting in most un-Christ like ways. Support for this idea is found when younger Americans are asked about their religious beliefs - many now say they have no religion yet still believe in a god.
Using your rationale you might just have well said "why I hate black people". Its the same mindset that has people saying"why I hate cops". All you are doing is justifying your own petty hatred and bigotry. You seek the negative examples and let that justify your petty hatred while ignoring the VAST majority of people that do good work daily.

Bigotry is a pretty sick thing to watch.
 
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Using your rationale you might just have well said "why I hate black people". Its the same mindset that has people saying"why I hate cops". All you are doing is justifying your own petty hatred and bigotry. You seek the negative examples and let that justify your petty hatred while ignoring the VAST majority of people that do good work daily.

Bigotry is a pretty sick thing to watch.

Exactly. They hate religion because they are haters and they do all kinds of logical backflips to justify it.
 
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Exactly. They hate religion because they are haters and they do all kinds of logical backflips to justify it.

So the little or no evidence to support any religion, or the terrible things it has done, is of no relevance to you ?
 
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The problem of evil

How can a Theist accept the existence of evil and the existence of a god ?

Welcome to Dualism; meet "the devil".


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