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Jehovah's Witnesses support for Child molestering. They want to be above the law.

RAMOSS said:
How do you know that statement is right about religious beliefs? If that statement is right, that is a statement about religious beliefs, and if it's right, then it's incorrect, because the statement is incorrect. You just made a statement that is a paradox.
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It is not a paradox. It is a fact.
 
COTO said:
They can be.

A community can be a closely-knit neighbourhood, a village, a tribe (i.e. an extremely large family), or (as in the case of the JW) a closely-knit church. A group of people with shared interests and values who meet regularly and regard each other as extended family.

It's an alien concept to Westerners in the 21st Century (especially the 90% of us who live in big cities) since our culture has, for various reasons, migrated to the polar opposite of community. Study after study shows we're distant, disconnected, lonely people. We jump from place to place. We don't know or spend time with the people around us. We absorb ourselves in work and personal entertainment. When we do tend to socialize, it's either on social media--which every study ever conducted concludes increases anxiety, depression, and feelings of isolation--or occurs in superficial ways, like getting drunk, gambling, etc.

Closely-knit communities are rare in North America. The few there are tend to appear in small towns, ethnic ghettos that haven't assimilated to North American culture, and occasionally in places where individuals have invested a tremendous amount of effort specifically to build family-like communities, such as the Amish or the JW church. Our miserable, isolated Western world loves to point out the specks in these communities' eyes (particularly the most egregious offenses) whilst ignoring the massive, Sequoia-sized plank jutting out of its own eye, but I've noticed things have gotten so bad in recent years there are growing attempts to establish new communities from all points on the political spectrum. You might say the JW's have been "on to something" in their relatively brief existence as a church.

The government in the JW church is hierarchical. There are senior ministers at the top, followed by junior ministers, deacons, elders, senior members, and finally junior members. Not everyone who attends the church is a member. The JWC may have one or two administrative levels in addition to these; I don't know exactly. If it deeply interests you, I'm sure you can find all the details on their websites.
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So if closely knit communities are rare, this undermines the ability to rehabilitate. That is why need to rely on the legal system.
 
devildavid said:
All of the evidence and lack of evidence points toward it being a fact.
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Wrong...

fact
/fakt/

noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true.
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google.com/search?q=fact&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS850US850&oq=fact&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1477j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
Elvira said:
Wrong...



google.com/search?q=fact&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS850US850&oq=fact&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1477j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Classic. The old dictionary definition argument. But you messed up. It says known or proved. It doesn't have to be proved. It. Can be known.
 
devildavid said:
So if closely knit communities are rare, this undermines the ability to rehabilitate. That is why need to rely on the legal system.
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This is like saying "Medevac choppers are rare, which undermines their ability to evacuate patients quickly."

No, the rarity of Medevac choppers means that most patients will be forced to rely on slower land transport ("rely on the legal system") but a privileged few will benefit from rapid air transport ("life in a closely-knit community").

I'm also not advocating that people completely avoid the legal system. At the very least, you'll need to rely on law enforcement to deal with major crimes committed by persons unknown or persons outside the community. It's far from ideal but it's the best you can do.
 
devildavid said:
Classic. The old dictionary definition argument. But you messed up. It says known or proved. It doesn't have to be proved. It. Can be known.
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Uh no, you messed up when you stated it was a fact...it is not, no matter how many times you say it...
 
Elvira said:
Uh no, you messed up when you stated it was a fact...it is not, no matter how many times you say it...
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No, it is a fact. And your dictionary quote did not refute that it is a fact.
 
COTO said:
This is like saying "Medevac choppers are rare, which undermines their ability to evacuate patients quickly."

No, the rarity of Medevac choppers means that most patients will be forced to rely on slower land transport ("rely on the legal system") but a privileged few will benefit from rapid air transport ("life in a closely-knit community").

I'm also not advocating that people completely avoid the legal system. At the very least, you'll need to rely on law enforcement to deal with major crimes committed by persons unknown or persons outside the community. It's far from ideal but it's the best you can do.
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Your analogy is horrible.

How can a country that has a overwhelming lack of strong communities rely on communities to rehabilitate and not use the legal system which is available in all areas?
 
devildavid said:
Your analogy is horrible.

How can a country that has a overwhelming lack of strong communities rely on communities to rehabilitate and not use the legal system which is available in all areas?
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It can't. Obviously.

I'm saying this isn't a knock against strong communities. If you've got one, use it.
 
Tim the plumber said:
The leadership of the church protected and continues to protect know child rapists.

You don't want to believe this. That does not change the facts.
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Boy does that sound familiar. Give me that old time religion...
 
COTO said:
It can't. Obviously.

I'm saying this isn't a knock against strong communities. If you've got one, use it.
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No, it's a knock against the chances of rehabilitation succeeding in the USA because the way of life in the USA does not promote strong communities.
 
devildavid said:
No, it's a knock against the chances of rehabilitation succeeding in the USA because the way of life in the USA does not promote strong communities.
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Your argument makes no sense.

It makes so little sense to me that I can't even tell where your thinking is going wrong.

Maybe it will make sense to other readers. :shrug:
 
COTO said:
Your argument makes no sense.

It makes so little sense to me that I can't even tell where your thinking is going wrong.

Maybe it will make sense to other readers. :shrug:
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Not sure where he's going but reform in prisons these days is nil to none...
 
Elvira said:
Perhaps you should watch this to see just how much reform is done in our prisons...

Watch Dateline Episode: Life Inside - NBC.com
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I never claimed reform was done in our prisons. My position is that criminals should be kept away from society for the protection of society. If there were stronger communities then maybe rehabilitation would stand a greater chance. But it still should involve the legal system working in tandem with communities, not communities taking car of things in house.
 
COTO said:
Your argument makes no sense.

It makes so little sense to me that I can't even tell where your thinking is going wrong.

Maybe it will make sense to other readers. :shrug:
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Rehabilitation will not work in a society lacking strong communities.
 
devildavid said:
Who are the directly harmed victims of illegal aliens? Victims of sexual abuse very often have their lives destroyed. If the abusers life is destroyed, that is justice being served.
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The ones who are murdered and raped by illegal aliens.
 
it's just me said:
The ones who are murdered and raped by illegal aliens.
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It is not them merely being illegal aliens that causes the harm. It is another criminal act that causes harm and causes harm even if it is an action of a legal citizen. Not all illegal aliens commit crimes beyond being an illegal alien.
 
devildavid said:
It is not them merely being illegal aliens that causes the harm. It is another criminal act that causes harm and causes harm even if it is an action of a legal citizen. Not all illegal aliens commit crimes beyond being an illegal alien.
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I'm going to explain this so even you can understand it. People who are bere illegally should not be be bere, and if they weren't here the crimes they commit would not happen.
 
it's just me said:
I'm going to explain this so even you can understand it. People who are bere illegally should not be be bere, and if they weren't here the crimes they commit would not happen.
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And how does them merely being here and not committing crimes harm anyone? Legal citizens carry the same potential as illegals to commit crimes that hurt people.
 
The last thing you want to do, if you have a daughter, is join a cult.
 
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