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The dangers of surrendering the faith to leftism

EMNofSeattle

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This episode took place last week in Portland and it is very interesting to watch because of the lessons it teaches about what happens when you surrender sacred doctrine and try to make the church “of the world”

So last year this “Catholic” parish in Portland got assigned a new priest, a Nigerian immigrant who is genuine holy man of God with a love for souls, and being a man of God with a love of souls he must’ve been truly alarmed at what he saw. This parish was openly celebrating mortal sins like homosexual sex and defiance of church authority, the church was being used for advocacy of non faith related political issues like illegal immigration and resistance to our rightful president. So the Priest did what any holy man of God who loves souls would do, he removed the political banners and imagery, removed banners celebrating the gay lifestyle, he also brought back reverence to the mass, these people were adding their own supplements to the Nicene creed! they were even standing instead of kneeling during consecration. So Father Kurofiji begins changing this, and how do the older liberal parishioners respond? They storm the church with picket signs during mass and sing “we shall overcome” to their (black) priest.
(This is your brain leftism folks)

So what’s the lesson here? If your church is descending into heresy you need leadership willing to make the tough decisions many parishioners are leaving this particular church it sounds like, but it needed to happen. It makes no sense for religious congregations to tolerate people who don’t believe in the doctrines of the faith because they will destroy the faith from inside.

The video linked in the Oregon live article had the most telling clip, this feminist is saying something that doesn’t matter to Father Kurofiji and he says “do you have reverence for God and she turns her back. These aging boomers have turned their back on God. Don’t let this happen to your church and if it has then either leadership needs to push them out or convert them, but if those won’t happen you need to leave.

Reverence and resistance in one of Portland’s oldest Catholic churches - oregonlive.com
 
EMNofSeattle said:
This episode took place last week in Portland and it is very interesting to watch because of the lessons it teaches about what happens when you surrender sacred doctrine and try to make the church “of the world”

So last year this “Catholic” parish in Portland got assigned a new priest, a Nigerian immigrant who is genuine holy man of God with a love for souls, and being a man of God with a love of souls he must’ve been truly alarmed at what he saw. This parish was openly celebrating mortal sins like homosexual sex and defiance of church authority, the church was being used for advocacy of non faith related political issues like illegal immigration and resistance to our rightful president. So the Priest did what any holy man of God who loves souls would do, he removed the political banners and imagery, removed banners celebrating the gay lifestyle, he also brought back reverence to the mass, these people were adding their own supplements to the Nicene creed! they were even standing instead of kneeling during consecration. So Father Kurofiji begins changing this, and how do the older liberal parishioners respond? They storm the church with picket signs during mass and sing “we shall overcome” to their (black) priest.
(This is your brain leftism folks)

So what’s the lesson here? If your church is descending into heresy you need leadership willing to make the tough decisions many parishioners are leaving this particular church it sounds like, but it needed to happen. It makes no sense for religious congregations to tolerate people who don’t believe in the doctrines of the faith because they will destroy the faith from inside.

The video linked in the Oregon live article had the most telling clip, this feminist is saying something that doesn’t matter to Father Kurofiji and he says “do you have reverence for God and she turns her back. These aging boomers have turned their back on God. Don’t let this happen to your church and if it has then either leadership needs to push them out or convert them, but if those won’t happen you need to leave.

Reverence and resistance in one of Portland’s oldest Catholic churches - oregonlive.com
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So religious belief is not sinful if the Pope does it?

The Catholic church has changed many times in the past - it has a lot of changes it needs to do otherwise it will fall further behind and remain a crutch of third world countries.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
This episode took place last week in Portland and it is very interesting to watch because of the lessons it teaches about what happens when you surrender sacred doctrine and try to make the church “of the world”

So last year this “Catholic” parish in Portland got assigned a new priest, a Nigerian immigrant who is genuine holy man of God with a love for souls, and being a man of God with a love of souls he must’ve been truly alarmed at what he saw. This parish was openly celebrating mortal sins like homosexual sex and defiance of church authority, the church was being used for advocacy of non faith related political issues like illegal immigration and resistance to our rightful president. So the Priest did what any holy man of God who loves souls would do, he removed the political banners and imagery, removed banners celebrating the gay lifestyle, he also brought back reverence to the mass, these people were adding their own supplements to the Nicene creed! they were even standing instead of kneeling during consecration. So Father Kurofiji begins changing this, and how do the older liberal parishioners respond? They storm the church with picket signs during mass and sing “we shall overcome” to their (black) priest.
(This is your brain leftism folks)

So what’s the lesson here? If your church is descending into heresy you need leadership willing to make the tough decisions many parishioners are leaving this particular church it sounds like, but it needed to happen. It makes no sense for religious congregations to tolerate people who don’t believe in the doctrines of the faith because they will destroy the faith from inside.

The video linked in the Oregon live article had the most telling clip, this feminist is saying something that doesn’t matter to Father Kurofiji and he says “do you have reverence for God and she turns her back. These aging boomers have turned their back on God. Don’t let this happen to your church and if it has then either leadership needs to push them out or convert them, but if those won’t happen you need to leave.

Reverence and resistance in one of Portland’s oldest Catholic churches - oregonlive.com
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I've got aunts who still think the Church went all to hell when they stopped saying Mass in Latin. It's all just details. What will you say when they allow priests to be married (again)?
 
EMNofSeattle said:
This episode took place last week in Portland and it is very interesting to watch because of the lessons it teaches about what happens when you surrender sacred doctrine and try to make the church “of the world”

So last year this “Catholic” parish in Portland got assigned a new priest, a Nigerian immigrant who is genuine holy man of God with a love for souls, and being a man of God with a love of souls he must’ve been truly alarmed at what he saw. This parish was openly celebrating mortal sins like homosexual sex and defiance of church authority, the church was being used for advocacy of non faith related political issues like illegal immigration and resistance to our rightful president. So the Priest did what any holy man of God who loves souls would do, he removed the political banners and imagery, removed banners celebrating the gay lifestyle, he also brought back reverence to the mass, these people were adding their own supplements to the Nicene creed! they were even standing instead of kneeling during consecration. So Father Kurofiji begins changing this, and how do the older liberal parishioners respond? They storm the church with picket signs during mass and sing “we shall overcome” to their (black) priest.
(This is your brain leftism folks)

So what’s the lesson here? If your church is descending into heresy you need leadership willing to make the tough decisions many parishioners are leaving this particular church it sounds like, but it needed to happen. It makes no sense for religious congregations to tolerate people who don’t believe in the doctrines of the faith because they will destroy the faith from inside.

The video linked in the Oregon live article had the most telling clip, this feminist is saying something that doesn’t matter to Father Kurofiji and he says “do you have reverence for God and she turns her back. These aging boomers have turned their back on God. Don’t let this happen to your church and if it has then either leadership needs to push them out or convert them, but if those won’t happen you need to leave.

Reverence and resistance in one of Portland’s oldest Catholic churches - oregonlive.com
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Would the dangers of "right-ism" taking over a church a demanding that all gay people be killed be as bad?
 
Jesus was all about love, inclusion and preaching to everyone, especially sinners, and God knows you've got some whopper sins in your life, OP. Unfortunately many American Christians are only about spreading hate and divisiveness instead of the love of Christ. I will admit one thing though, I think you're every bit as Christ-like as your idol Donald J. Trump.
 
Grand Mal said:
I've got aunts who still think the Church went all to hell when they stopped saying Mass in Latin. It's all just details. What will you say when they allow priests to be married (again)?
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Or in 1815 when the church admitted that the Bible is wrong and the Earth is not flat.

Of course there are Christians today who maintain the Bible never said this or that the sun goes round the Earth.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
This episode took place last week in Portland and it is very interesting to watch because of the lessons it teaches about what happens when you surrender sacred doctrine and try to make the church “of the world”

So last year this “Catholic” parish in Portland got assigned a new priest, a Nigerian immigrant who is genuine holy man of God with a love for souls, and being a man of God with a love of souls he must’ve been truly alarmed at what he saw. This parish was openly celebrating mortal sins like homosexual sex and defiance of church authority, the church was being used for advocacy of non faith related political issues like illegal immigration and resistance to our rightful president. So the Priest did what any holy man of God who loves souls would do, he removed the political banners and imagery, removed banners celebrating the gay lifestyle, he also brought back reverence to the mass, these people were adding their own supplements to the Nicene creed! they were even standing instead of kneeling during consecration. So Father Kurofiji begins changing this, and how do the older liberal parishioners respond? They storm the church with picket signs during mass and sing “we shall overcome” to their (black) priest.
(This is your brain leftism folks)

So what’s the lesson here? If your church is descending into heresy you need leadership willing to make the tough decisions many parishioners are leaving this particular church it sounds like, but it needed to happen. It makes no sense for religious congregations to tolerate people who don’t believe in the doctrines of the faith because they will destroy the faith from inside.

The video linked in the Oregon live article had the most telling clip, this feminist is saying something that doesn’t matter to Father Kurofiji and he says “do you have reverence for God and she turns her back. These aging boomers have turned their back on God. Don’t let this happen to your church and if it has then either leadership needs to push them out or convert them, but if those won’t happen you need to leave.

Reverence and resistance in one of Portland’s oldest Catholic churches - oregonlive.com
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God forbid that churches actually try to follow the words of Jesus. :lamo
 
Grand Mal said:
I've got aunts who still think the Church went all to hell when they stopped saying Mass in Latin. It's all just details. What will you say when they allow priests to be married (again)?
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The church did lose something special when they stopped saying mass in Latin. What’s interesting is that if you look at demographics, Latin mass parishes are exploding in number and their parishioners are young with families and they believe in church teachings, you go to these liberal parishes and it’s like the protestors you see in my link, grey haired boomers.

Younger Catholics in Latin mass parishes near universally affirm the church’s teachings against abortion and contraception and accept papal infallibility and the immaculate conception and the real presence.

Can you tell me with a straight face these people who interrupted the sacrifice of the mass accept that our lord is present body blood, soul, and divinity in the Eucharist they stopped?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Jesus was all about love, inclusion and preaching to everyone, especially sinners, and God knows you've got some whopper sins in your life, OP. Unfortunately many American Christians are only about spreading hate and divisiveness instead of the love of Christ. I will admit one thing though, I think you're every bit as Christ-like as your idol Donald J. Trump.
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Jesus was not about any of those things as you would define it. He believed one did not have to be a Jew to share in God’s grace so he was inclusive and preached to everyone, he also loved people and wished for no one to be damned, however he was not ok with sin and he was against heresy. He specifically taught that if one does not repent of their sins then they will be damned because they chose to reject God.

A practicing homosexual is in serious danger of losing his or her soul, and the church cannot in love affirm this lifestyle choice, such a person must be told to repent. Someone in an adulterous relationship must stop the relationship and repent, thieves need to stop stealing and repent. Etc

Jesus loved everyone, love is not the same as affirmation
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Jesus was not about any of those things as you would define it. He believed one did not have to be a Jew to share in God’s grace so he was inclusive and preached to everyone, he also loved people and wished for no one to be damned, however he was not ok with sin and he was against heresy. He specifically taught that if one does not repent of their sins then they will be damned because they chose to reject God.

A practicing homosexual is in serious danger of losing his or her soul, and the church cannot in love affirm this lifestyle choice, such a person must be told to repent. Someone in an adulterous relationship must stop the relationship and repent, thieves need to stop stealing and repent. Etc

Jesus loved everyone, love is not the same as affirmation
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I find it hilariously ironic how you periodically pretend to be this great Christian yet most other days are spewing some of the most vile and hateful rhetoric on the forum. There's nothing Christian about you, Trumpism, or the spreading of hate.
 
Rich2018 said:
Or in 1815 when the church admitted that the Bible is wrong and the Earth is not flat.

Of course there are Christians today who maintain the Bible never said this or that the sun goes round the Earth.
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The Bible does not teach the world is flat and neither did the Church. The world was universally known to round since ancient times.

Some heretics (known as fundamentalists) are partially responsible for this atheist critique of the Bible, but in short it’s wrong because many scriptures are written in metaphor or are fiction intended to teach a greater truth about God. Much like not every book in your local library is literally true.

The Bible uses various metaphors when describing the earth, it never claims as a matter of scientific truth the earth is flat, and in fact it was known not to be long before Christ
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I find it hilariously ironic how you periodically pretend to be this great Christian yet most other days are spewing some of the most vile and hateful rhetoric on the forum. There's nothing Christian about you, Trumpism, or the spreading of hate.
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I find it hilarious how you make a lot of unfounded assertions and non-sequiturs instead of bringing up something I said and making the claim it’s against scripture or tradition and asking me to defend it
 
EMNofSeattle said:
This episode took place last week in Portland and it is very interesting to watch because of the lessons it teaches about what happens when you surrender sacred doctrine and try to make the church “of the world”

So last year this “Catholic” parish in Portland got assigned a new priest, a Nigerian immigrant who is genuine holy man of God with a love for souls, and being a man of God with a love of souls he must’ve been truly alarmed at what he saw. This parish was openly celebrating mortal sins like homosexual sex and defiance of church authority, the church was being used for advocacy of non faith related political issues like illegal immigration and resistance to our rightful president. So the Priest did what any holy man of God who loves souls would do, he removed the political banners and imagery, removed banners celebrating the gay lifestyle, he also brought back reverence to the mass, these people were adding their own supplements to the Nicene creed! they were even standing instead of kneeling during consecration. So Father Kurofiji begins changing this, and how do the older liberal parishioners respond? They storm the church with picket signs during mass and sing “we shall overcome” to their (black) priest.
(This is your brain leftism folks)

So what’s the lesson here? If your church is descending into heresy you need leadership willing to make the tough decisions many parishioners are leaving this particular church it sounds like, but it needed to happen. It makes no sense for religious congregations to tolerate people who don’t believe in the doctrines of the faith because they will destroy the faith from inside.

The video linked in the Oregon live article had the most telling clip, this feminist is saying something that doesn’t matter to Father Kurofiji and he says “do you have reverence for God and she turns her back. These aging boomers have turned their back on God. Don’t let this happen to your church and if it has then either leadership needs to push them out or convert them, but if those won’t happen you need to leave.

Reverence and resistance in one of Portland’s oldest Catholic churches - oregonlive.com
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The catholic church protected pedophiles. That is a fact.


They are a horror
 
vegas giants said:
The catholic church protected pedophiles. That is a fact.


They are a horror
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Public schools protect over 100 times as many pedophiles, this is a fact. Public sector unions continue to do this whereas sexual abuse in the Catholic Church has dropped to near non-existence due to numerous reforms implemented in 90s

Let’s abolish government education!
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The church did lose something special when they stopped saying mass in Latin. What’s interesting is that if you look at demographics, Latin mass parishes are exploding in number and their parishioners are young with families and they believe in church teachings, you go to these liberal parishes and it’s like the protestors you see in my link, grey haired boomers.

Younger Catholics in Latin mass parishes near universally affirm the church’s teachings against abortion and contraception and accept papal infallibility and the immaculate conception and the real presence.

Can you tell me with a straight face these people who interrupted the sacrifice of the mass accept that our lord is present body blood, soul, and divinity in the Eucharist they stopped?
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I don't concern myself much with the state of other people's souls. I barely concern myself with the state of my own. Religion for me has been reduced to a very simple rule- try not to hurt other peope. All the rest has been and is still quibbled over for so long by so many people that I can't believe there's much importance to it.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Public schools protect over 100 times as many pedophiles, this is a fact. Public sector unions continue to do this whereas sexual abuse in the Catholic Church has dropped to near non-existence due to numerous reforms implemented in 90s

Let’s abolish government education!
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That is a lie. Prove it. It is well documented that bishops and cardinals protected pedophiles. Cardinal law belonged in prison.
 
Grand Mal said:
I don't concern myself much with the state of other people's souls. I barely concern myself with the state of my own. Religion for me has been reduced to a very simple rule- try not to hurt other peope. All the rest has been and is still quibbled over for so long by so many people that I can't believe there's much importance to it.
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And this is why liberalizing teachings and changing the mass was a bad idea.

You apparently see no connection between a degenerate culture that celebrates murder, death and and a degenerate culture where wackos gun down twenty people. You see no connection between a society that desecrates marriage and ends up with lost souls who can’t hold normal relationships and get ahead in life. I was reading an article lately about children becoming addicted to violent pornography and later on committing sexual violence. “I don’t care” is simply an unacceptable attitude

To not care is to not love.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
...younger Catholics in Latin mass parishes near universally affirm the church’s teachings against abortion and contraception...
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Yeah. sex is the biggest problem facing the Catholic church

Opposition to condoms has caused the spread of AIDS - especially in Third World countries.

Opposition to abortion is causing unwanted population growth.

Opposition to priests getting married is causing choir boys to be raped.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yeah. sex is the biggest problem facing the Catholic church

Opposition to condoms has caused the spread of AIDS - especially in Third World countries.
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No it hasn’t.

Opposition to abortion is causing unwanted population growth.
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Unwanted? In who’s opinion? Some socialist planner’s in Geneva? Population growth is good for societies.

Opposition to priests getting married is causing choir boys to be raped.
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No it’s not. First off the vast majority of sexual abuse cases in the Catholic Church were not rape of children, they were sexual harassment of teens and young men, normally in seminaries, this was because the Church lapsed in selection for seminaries and were ordaining known homosexuals, and drug users into the priesthood. This has now gone away largely and incidents are way down. There is virtually no modern cases of sexual abuse in the Church. At least in this country.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No it hasn’t.



Unwanted? In who’s opinion? Some socialist planner’s in Geneva? Population growth is good for societies.



No it’s not. First off the vast majority of sexual abuse cases in the Catholic Church were not rape of children, they were sexual harassment of teens and young men, normally in seminaries, this was because the Church lapsed in selection for seminaries and were ordaining known homosexuals, and drug users into the priesthood. This has now gone away largely and incidents are way down. There is virtually no modern cases of sexual abuse in the Church. At least in this country.
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My God teens are children. Defending this is awful
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No it hasn’t.



Unwanted? In who’s opinion? Some socialist planner’s in Geneva? Population growth is good for societies.



No it’s not. First off the vast majority of sexual abuse cases in the Catholic Church were not rape of children, they were sexual harassment of teens and young men, normally in seminaries, this was because the Church lapsed in selection for seminaries and were ordaining known homosexuals, and drug users into the priesthood. This has now gone away largely and incidents are way down. There is virtually no modern cases of sexual abuse in the Church. At least in this country.
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My God have you heard of Pennsylvania? Over 600 cases!!!!
 
vegas giants said:
My God have you heard of Pennsylvania? Over 600 cases!!!!
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Over the course of 75 years in an area with a catholic population of like 6 million people

Also human failings of a minuscule number of clergy are not an argument Against doctrine
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Over the course of 75 years in an area with a catholic population of like 6 million people
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That is massive!!!! Those priests were protected until recently.


Defending this is awful
 
EMNofSeattle said:
The Bible does not teach the world is flat and neither did the Church....
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Yes it does and yes it did - until the Catholic church admitted in 1815 that the world was indeed round and the sun went round the Earth

Have you forgotten that the church was going to burn Galileo alive for saying this and forced him to recant?

If you climb a mountain high enough you can see the whole world, says the scientifically ignorant Bible.


...the world was universally known to round since ancient times...
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To ancient scientists yes, but not to the Bronze Age goat herders who wrote the Bible or the church that followed them proclaiming that the Bible as the word of god.


...some heretics (known as fundamentalists) are partially responsible for this atheist critique of the Bible, but in short it’s wrong because many scriptures are written in metaphor or are fiction intended to teach a greater truth about God. Much like not every book in your local library is literally true...
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Yes the cop out of Theism today - when science proves it wrong, the church eventually changes its dogma and a verse becomes metaphorical..

Tell us is the story of Noah's flood or the Tower of Babel metaphorical yet?

...the Bible uses various metaphors when describing the earth, it never claims as a matter of scientific truth the earth is flat, and in fact it was known not to be long before Christ
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So the Earth wasn't "created" in 6 days of 24 hours....but formed over a period of about 4.5 billion years.
 
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