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If I were the devil...

Rich2018 said:
Defying god's word because we can is not an incentive.

We can all do that.

I would ask the Devil why he was tormenting me for do what he tempted me to do. Because he can may be an answer for you.
I would be better off obeying god.
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Hind sight is 20/20...btw, the devil does not torment beyond this life...there is no hellfire, there is no immortal soul..
 
Elvira said:
Hind sight is 20/20...btw, the devil does not torment beyond this life...there is no hellfire, there is no immortal soul..
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I know that.

But many Christians believe in the firey lake and I know of one pastor who says god rules in hell.
 
Rich2018 said:
I know that.

But many Christians believe in the firey lake and I know of one pastor who says god rules in hell.
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Well, he's an idiot who doesn't know his Bible...
 
devildavid said:
The bible is a collection of writing promoting particular religious beliefs. The question is not about the bible, but about the beliefs promoted in its pages. Those beliefs exist with or without the bible. The bible is not the beliefs nor did the bible lead to the beliefs.
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Do they exist? Where does the concept of Melchizedek and Aaronic Priesthoods exist elsewhere? Where does "Baptisms for the Dead" exist elsewhere? Where does the concept of Celestial Glory, Terrestrial Glory and resurrection exist elsewhere? Where does most of what's in the Bible exist elsewhere? The Bible is the words of God given to His children through Prophets and Apostles and a few exceptions like Ezra and Nehemiah.
 
Rich2018 said:
Sure the OT is true.

Like the Tower of Babel, Noah's Flood, the Exodus, Jonah in the great fish.
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Yes, they did exist. And, there is evidence of this. By the way, the Bible didn't say it was a whale. It was something the Lord provided Jonah. But yes, Exodus did happen as did the Holocaust. Noah's world-wide flood happened as well as the Tower of Babel.
 
Cougarbear said:
Do they exist? Where does the concept of Melchizedek and Aaronic Priesthoods exist elsewhere? Where does "Baptisms for the Dead" exist elsewhere? Where does the concept of Celestial Glory, Terrestrial Glory and resurrection exist elsewhere? Where does most of what's in the Bible exist elsewhere? The Bible is the words of God given to His children through Prophets and Apostles and a few exceptions like Ezra and Nehemiah.
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The concept of 'baptisms for the dead' is evil.
 
Rich2018 said:
Not really, the beliefs exist because they were written down in the Bible.

If you prove the Bible wrong, you prove the religion wrong.
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No, the beliefs came before the bible was compiled, over time. You have to show that the beliefs have no basis in fact.
 
Cougarbear said:
Do they exist? Where does the concept of Melchizedek and Aaronic Priesthoods exist elsewhere? Where does "Baptisms for the Dead" exist elsewhere? Where does the concept of Celestial Glory, Terrestrial Glory and resurrection exist elsewhere? Where does most of what's in the Bible exist elsewhere? The Bible is the words of God given to His children through Prophets and Apostles and a few exceptions like Ezra and Nehemiah.
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The words in the bible were not written down at the same time as the events in it allegedly occurred. These concepts and beliefs were handed down verbally long before anyone wrote anything down. According to bible stories, god spoke to man verbally. God did not write the book at all. His actions were written about and put in the book.
 
devildavid said:
No, the beliefs came before the bible was compiled, over time. You have to show that the beliefs have no basis in fact.
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Exactly! Discussing the merits of the Bible does in no way disprove or prove the existence of the Abrahamic god, or whether the belief system is valid. It simply proves or disproves the validity of the texts.
 
devildavid said:
The words in the bible were not written down at the same time as the events in it allegedly occurred. These concepts and beliefs were handed down verbally long before anyone wrote anything down. According to bible stories, god spoke to man verbally. God did not write the book at all. His actions were written about and put in the book.
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Some was, some wasn't..some was written soon after it happened...in spite of what you may think these people were not illiterate...

"And Moses wrote down this code and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who carried the ark of Jehovah’s covenant, and to all the elders of Israel." Deuteronomy 31:9

"And Samuel stated to the people the law of the kingship, and wrote it down as a document and deposited it before Jehovah; and Samuel sent all the people home." 1 Samuel 1:25

"And Mordocai wrote this matter down and sent writs to all the Jews in all King Xerxes’ provinces, near and far," Esther 1:20
 
Elvira said:
Some was, some wasn't..some was written soon after it happened...in spite of what you may think these people were not illiterate...

"And Moses wrote down this code and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who carried the ark of Jehovah’s covenant, and to all the elders of Israel." Deuteronomy 31:9

"And Samuel stated to the people the law of the kingship, and wrote it down as a document and deposited it before Jehovah; and Samuel sent all the people home." 1 Samuel 1:25

"And Mordocai wrote this matter down and sent writs to all the Jews in all King Xerxes’ provinces, near and far," Esther 1:20
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Moses did not write an account of his encounter with god immediately after it happened.
 
devildavid said:
Moses did not write an account of his encounter with god immediately after it happened.
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Did I say that? No, I did not...SMH...it was not handed down by word of mouth as much as you claim...
 
Elvira said:
Did I say that? No, I did not...SMH...it was not handed down by word of mouth as much as you claim...
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When it comes to the book of Esther , there are plenty of elements in it that shows it was highly fictionalized.
 
NWO_Spook said:
Exactly! Discussing the merits of the Bible does in no way disprove or prove the existence of the Abrahamic god, or whether the belief system is valid. It simply proves or disproves the validity of the texts.
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Yes it does.

If you disprove the Bible you disprove all the Abrahamic gods.
 
RAMOSS said:
When it comes to the book of Esther , there are plenty of elements in it that shows it was highly fictionalized.
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Considering its historical and chronological details, such as Esther being made queen and the massacre of 75,000 Persians, I don't think so...if Esther is just fiction, why such an emphasis on accurate detail?
 
Cougarbear said:
Yes, they did exist. And, there is evidence of this...
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No there isn't, quite the contrary

...by the way, the Bible didn't say it was a whale....
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And neither did I


...Exodus did happen...
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No it didn't or there would be evidence for it and Israeli biblical scholars have looked and admitted defeat


...Noah's world-wide flood happened as well as the Tower of Babel.
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Pardon me while I fall down laughing. Noah's flood is a plagiarized story and the most ridiculous story in the Bible
Science utterly rebukes it

The Tower of Babel is a similarly ridiculous tale invented by the Bible writers to explain why we speak in different languages. Linguists have a more scientific model of how languages came into being.
 
Elvira said:
Considering its historical and chronological details, such as Esther being made queen and the massacre of 75,000 Persians, I don't think so...if Esther is just fiction, why such an emphasis on accurate detail?
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Because that is what stories and fiction do.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes it does.

If you disprove the Bible you disprove all the Abrahamic gods.
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So you keep asserting without proving, however, I know this to be logically false as I've repeatedly demonstrated, for there are other possibilities you refuse to acknowledge.

One has to discount all possibilities before one announces 'QED' and mere assertion doesn't cut it.
 
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