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[W:843] How religious thinking works

Rich2018 said:
Yes but Christians weren't persecuted as a group

What good came from the council...a unified church that was to burn thousands in god's name?
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Correction...unified apostasy which tried their best to stamp out the truth, which they did very well for several centuries...
 
Rich2018 said:
Like most pastors today.

The have a reaveled truth and cannot be wrong.

Certain Catholic churches reverted back to Latin prayers which the congregation cannot understand. Was this to increase the mystique of the church and to promote the "holier-than-thou" attitude of its leaders?
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I wondered whether congregations cannot understand Latin prayers, so I Googled: do catholics understand the latin mass - Google Search

I also Googled to learn if/why the Latin Mass is coming back: why the latin mass has come back - Google Search

Some hymns are sung in a language other than English--"Adeste Fideles," for example--so my guess is that congregations do know some Latin (and Spanish too). Growing up High Church Episcopalian/Anglican, I knew what the "Kyrie" means, also the "Sanctus" and "Agnus Dei," etc. And it's not just Episcopalians, of course, who are familiar with some Latin; anybody who is a serious singer, and this includes atheists, knows quite a bit of Latin.

You make two assumptions, and I'm not sure why you think that increasing "mystique" or promoting a "holier-than-thou attitude" is desired or a thing. :( This says more about you than I think you realize.
 
Elvira said:
Correction...unified apostasy which tried their best to stamp out the truth, which they did very well for several centuries...
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They thought they were protecting the true faith.

All churches today (and yes I include yours) believe they have the revealed truth.


How many JW are there - is there no hope for the billions of other souls on Earth?
 
nota bene said:
I wondered whether congregations cannot understand Latin prayers, so I Googled: do catholics understand the latin mass - Google Search

I also Googled to learn if/why the Latin Mass is coming back: why the latin mass has come back - Google Search

Some hymns are sung in a language other than English--"Adeste Fideles," for example--so my guess is that congregations do know some Latin (and Spanish too). Growing up High Church Episcopalian/Anglican, I knew what the "Kyrie" means, also the "Sanctus" and "Agnus Dei," etc. And it's not just Episcopalians, of course, who are familiar with some Latin; anybody who is a serious singer, and this includes atheists, knows quite a bit of Latin.

You make two assumptions, and I'm not sure why you think that increasing "mystique" or promoting a "holier-than-thou attitude" is desired or a thing. :( This says more about you than I think you realize.
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My wife was a catholic and doesn't understand hardly any Latin.


"Salve, Regina, Mater misericordiæ,
vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Hevæ,
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
in hac lacrimarum valle."


Yeah she knows that hymn refers to Mary, mother of Mercy.
 
Rich2018 said:
They thought they were protecting the true faith.

All churches today (and yes I include yours) believe they have the revealed truth.


How many JW are there - is there no hope for the billions of other souls on Earth?
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As I've told you before, the proof is in the pudding...do they all follow the teachings of the Bible, specifically the ones given to Christians...not just some, but all? fins who does and you'll find the true ones...just as Jesus said, "by their fruits, you will know them"...
 
Rich2018 said:
My wife was a catholic and doesn't understand hardly any Latin.


"Salve, Regina, Mater misericordiæ,
vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
Ad te clamamus exsules filii Hevæ,
Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
in hac lacrimarum valle."


Yeah she knows that hymn refers to Mary, mother of Mercy.
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Where in the Scriptures does it say to worship in Latin? God accepts all and any languages, He is not partial but we should not look to worship Him in a way that pleases us, but in a way that pleases Him......

"At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him." Acts 10:34,35
 
Elvira said:
...do they all follow the teachings of the Bible, specifically the ones given to Christians...not just some, but all? fins who does and you'll find the true ones...just as Jesus said, "by their fruits, you will know them"...
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They believe they do.

Then there are other faiths whose followers believe they follow the word of god.


I heard a women Christian once say that sex outside marriage is sinful and sends you to hell. She clarified this saying sex outside a marriage not recognized by her church was sinful. Meaning hell's a rather crowded place in her mind.
 
Elvira said:
Where in the Scriptures does it say to worship in Latin? God accepts all and any languages, He is not partial but we should not look to worship Him in a way that pleases us, but in a way that pleases Him......

"At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him." Acts 10:34,35
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The scriptures aren't in English - though when asked a proportion of US Theology students thought the New Testament was.

It's a Catholic tradition indicating why it's called The Roman Catholic church and their leader is referred to as The Bishop of Rome.

In those days Romans spoke Latin.
 
Rich2018 said:
They believe they do.

Then there are other faiths whose followers believe they follow the word of god.


I heard a women Christian once say that sex outside marriage is sinful and sends you to hell. She clarified this saying sex outside a marriage not recognized by her church was sinful. Meaning hell's a rather crowded place in her mind.
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Believing is not doing...
 
Rich2018 said:
The scriptures aren't in English - though when asked a proportion of US Theology students thought the New Testament was.

It's a Catholic tradition indicating why it's called The Roman Catholic church and their leader is referred to as The Bishop of Rome.

In those days Romans spoke Latin.
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We're not in Rome...this is what Jesus said about the religious leaders of his day...

"It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’" Matthew 15:9
 
Elvira said:
Believing is not doing...
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Alright, they believe what the say and do follows the teachings of Jesus.

You think they're wrong, the think you're wrong and you're just a small sect.

I think you're all wrong.
 
Elvira said:
We're not in Rome...this is what Jesus said about the religious leaders of his day...

"It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’" Matthew 15:9
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And he said it in what language which was understood by how many of Christians?

For what it's worth I agree with you that a slavish reference to history is wrong.
 
nota bene said:
Pearl-casting is a waste of time, and I decided long before you joined this board, zyzygy, that there is too little hope of respectful engagement to have a productive discussion. Sorry if in the five years since you joined you haven't noticed this. But yes, it's very convenient, especially for my blood pressure. Exercises in futility set me off.
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Assuming that only your view is a pearl is unwarranted in a debate.
 
Elvira said:
As I've told you before, the proof is in the pudding...do they all follow the teachings of the Bible, specifically the ones given to Christians...not just some, but all? fins who does and you'll find the true ones...just as Jesus said, "by their fruits, you will know them"...
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It all depends on which fruit you think is the real fruit. There is no way to know what a person believes by observing their actions.
 
Elvira said:
The Pharisees in Jesus' time were known for their self-righteousness...that was the reason for Jesus' illustration of the self-righteous Pharisee and the tax collector, where the Pharisee proclaimed ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like everyone else—extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.'...Luke 18:9-14...the Pharisees were proud and self-righteous, viewing other men with great contempt...John 7:47, 49...
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You are not that different from the Pharisees in your behavior here.
 
devildavid said:
You are not that different from the Pharisees in your behavior here.
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That is a lie...I've never said any such thing, nor do I think it...
 
Elvira said:
The Pharisees in Jesus' time were known for their self-righteousness...
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Isn't that the case of churches today who "know" they're right and don't require evidence?

And yes, I include the JW in that.
 
Rich2018 said:
Isn't that the case of churches today who "know" they're right and don't require evidence?

And yes, I include the JW in that.
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That has nothing to do with self-righteousness...
 
Rich2018 said:
But you know you're right without evidence.

Why do you believe what you do?
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Why do you spend so much time worrying about what she believes and attacking Christianity, Christians or anyone who believes in God?
 
RedAkston said:
Why do you spend so much time worrying about what she believes and attacking Christianity, Christians or anyone who believes in God?
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I'm worried about someone?

I also attack people who support the 2nd Amendment and Donald Trump or haven't you noticed?

The USA is ostensibly a Christian country with a Christian culture (as am I) so it's natural that most Theist posters are Christians.


Religion does so much harm - it needs to be opposed and if necessary, attacked to protect against the damage it has done and is doing.
Do you really not see the threat religion poses?
 
Rich2018 said:
I'm worried about someone?

I also attack people who support the 2nd Amendment and Donald Trump or haven't you noticed?

The USA is ostensibly a Christian country with a Christian culture (as am I) so it's natural that most Theist posters are Christians.


Religion does so much harm - it needs to be opposed and if necessary, attacked to protect against the damage it has done and is doing.
Do you really not see the threat religion poses?
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I didn't accusing you of worrying about anyone, but it is good to know that you attack people who support the Constitution of the US and/or it's President. How progressive of you. :roll:

Religion doesn't do any harm, people do. I often wonder how someone can spend so much time attacking someone for their belief in a higher power. It's not like it's being shoved down your throat or shoved in your face, unless someone is forcing you to be a regular participant in this forum. That's not actually happening is it?

Religion poses no threat whatsoever and if that's what you see, I'd suggest visiting your closest eye doctor immediately.
 
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