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[W:843] How religious thinking works

Tim the plumber

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This video, a bit long but interesting, is about post modernism. But all that is a sort of religious replacement of individual thinking, to give you an identity and to place all others in their place socially. To avoid being self responsible.

There certainly is danger in not having religion given how bad at thinking lots of people who consider themselves clever, and have been told that they are indeed clever, are.
 
Tim the plumber said:
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This video, a bit long but interesting, is about post modernism. But all that is a sort of religious replacement of individual thinking, to give you an identity and to place all others in their place socially. To avoid being self responsible.

There certainly is danger in not having religion given how bad at thinking lots of people who consider themselves clever, and have been told that they are indeed clever, are.
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How are religiously deluded idiots less of a danger than regular deluded idiots who think they are clever?
 
devildavid said:
How are religiously deluded idiots less of a danger than regular deluded idiots who think they are clever?
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Because religion bans investigative thinking. This have a knock-on effect to their children and so on.

How many original thinking scientists have we lost to religions indoctrination?
 
Rich2018 said:
Because religion bans investigative thinking. This have a knock-on effect to their children and so on.

How many original thinking scientists have we lost to religions indoctrination?
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Religion does not ban investigative thinking.


I don't know how many. Can you point out some examples?
 
devildavid said:
Religion does not ban investigative thinking.


I don't know how many. Can you point out some examples?
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Islam is a good example on how religious direction caused science to end.

Would the USA have ever done to the moon if Americans all acted like the traditional Amish?


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Rich2018 said:
Islam is a good example on how religious direction caused science to end.

Would the USA have ever done to the moon if Americans all acted like the traditional Amish?


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Speaking of Amish, here is an ex-Amish. He has some of the best videos explaining the flaws in various religious arguments. If you haven't watched him, check it out. He's particularly good at demolishing William Lane Craig's arguments. He does the necessary research to expose all of Craig's little deceits.

 
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Rich2018 said:
Islam is a good example on how religious direction caused science to end.

Would the USA have ever done to the moon if Americans all acted like the traditional Amish?


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Islam did not cause science to end.

Your "what if" is not an example of losing any original thinking scientists to religion.
 
devildavid said:
Islam did not cause science to end.

Your "what if" is not an example of losing any original thinking scientists to religion.
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No he didn't

Islam, or rather a zealous adherence to it, caused science to basically end, in the Islamic world.
 
Rich2018 said:
No he didn't

Islam, or rather a zealous adherence to it, caused science to basically end, in the Islamic world.
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No, science did not end in the Islamic world.

Still no examples of scientists lost to religion?
 
devildavid said:
No, science did not end in the Islamic world.
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Perhaps he didn't word it properly. Up until the 15th century, Islamic scientists were pretty much at the forefront of the discipline. Since the 15th century, not so much. I guess the question is... why? Did they fall behind (statistically) on account of the Renaissance?


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Omega Man said:
Perhaps he didn't word it properly. Up until the 15th century, Islamic scientists were pretty much at the forefront of the discipline. Since the 15th century, not so much. I guess the question is... why? Did they fall behind (statistically) on account of the Renaissance?


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My only point is that science did not end.
 
Rich2018 said:
How many Muslims have won a Nobel Prize?
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Twelve.

Of those twelve, the scientists among them included:

Mohammad Abdus Salam
Ahmed Zewail
Aziz Sancar


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devildavid said:
How are religiously deluded idiots less of a danger than regular deluded idiots who think they are clever?
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They're even more dangerous because they honestly believe their actions comply with God's wishes.
 
stevecanuck said:
Islam. God talks to Muslims through the Qur'an and they listen and obey. The end.
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Yep. Same as Christians. God talks to Christians through the bible, and they listen and obey. The end.
 
stevecanuck said:
They're even more dangerous because they honestly believe their actions comply with God's wishes.
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Yep. For example they use their religious doctrine to justify killing doctors providing medical services to pregnant women.
 
Rich2018 said:
Islam is a good example on how religious direction caused science to end.

Would the USA have ever done to the moon if Americans all acted like the traditional Amish?


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It's a mistake to cite extremist factions as if they represent the mainstream. The list of religious scientists could fill a room with Nobel winners. Islam for hundreds of years preserved the learning of the western world while European nations wallowed in the Dark Ages. Some of the deepest thinkers in history have been very religious people. And all through the centuries many, maybe most, of the world's people have had no relief from grinding poverty and no consolation except what they found in religion.

'Course, on the other side there's hundreds of undergraduates with Flying Spaghetti Monster memes and pastafarian jokes, so maybe it all evens out.
 
JustHanging said:
Yep. For example they use their religious doctrine to justify killing doctors providing medical services to pregnant women.
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In the U.S. 11 people have been killed at abortion clinics in the last 26 years. That hardly constitutes adherence to a well defined religious tenet. It's a bad joke when people say not to judge Islam on "a tiny minority" of Muslims who kill, then try to marry Christianity to the infrequent nut-bar who attacks a clinic.

In Muslim countries, not a single abortion doctor has been killed, so that's a point for your side. Oh, wait. Just maybe that's because there's no such thing as an abortion doctor in Islamic countries.
 
stevecanuck said:
In the U.S. 11 people have been killed at abortion clinics in the last 26 years. That hardly constitutes adherence to a well defined religious tenet. It's a bad joke when people say not to judge Islam on "a tiny minority" of Muslims who kill, then try to marry Christianity to the infrequent nut-bar who attacks a clinic.

In Muslim countries, not a single abortion doctor has been killed, so that's a point for your side. Oh, wait. Just maybe that's because there's no such thing as an abortion doctor in Islamic countries.
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Wrong.
 
stevecanuck said:
Ok, I'm willing to believe you. However, the link you undoubtedly provided seems to have disappeared. Perhaps you could repost it.
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I posted no link. Try this for size.



When at 19 Mehnaz became pregnant for the fifth time, she panicked. She already had four daughters, and her husband was threatening to throw her out if she had another. So she did what millions of Pakistani women do every year: She had an abortion.

Why The Abortion Rate In Pakistan Is One Of The World'''s Highest | WBUR News
 
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