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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Yep, so much so, that they fought to keep the Bible from being translated into anything else but Latin...



    They Tried to Keep God’s Word From the Masses — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
    Strange how the Catholic church expected their church to grow if people couldn't read the holy book.

    The Cathar heresy was crushed by the Catholic church with an authorized crusade in the 13th century.

    Albigensian Crusade - Wikipedia


    I read that the Cathars were Gnostic and everyone had or sought a direct relationship with god.
    Frightening to the Catholic church since that belief made the priesthood redundant.

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Strange how the Catholic church expected their church to grow if people couldn't read the holy book.

    The Cathar heresy was crushed by the Catholic church with an authorized crusade in the 13th century.

    Albigensian Crusade - Wikipedia


    I read that the Cathars were Gnostic and everyone had or sought a direct relationship with god.
    Frightening to the Catholic church since that belief made the priesthood redundant.
    It was their way of having/keeping control over the common people...1229 AD was the beginning of the Catholic “Inquisition,” where persecutions of Christians reached new heights...imho 325 AD at Nicea, was the beginning of organized apostate Christianity...
    “Your dead will live. My corpses will rise up. Awake and shout joyfully, You residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of the morning, And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life." Isaiah 26:19

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    It was their way of having/keeping control over the common people...1229 AD was the beginning of the Catholic “Inquisition,” where persecutions of Christians reached new heights...imho 325 AD at Nicea, was the beginning of organized apostate Christianity...
    Christians weren't persecuted by the Inquisitions - the most infamous being the Spanish Inquisition which continued into the 19th century.
    It was an attempt to stamp out all beliefs not sanctioned by Rome. I guess you could say Protestants were persecuted in Catholic countries.

    The Jews were persecuted.

    I didn't know you were aware of the Council of Nivea - actually there were several - that did so much to shape the Catholic religion and the Bible itself. By majority vote.

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    The Pharisees in Jesus' time were known for their self-righteousness...that was the reason for Jesus' illustration of the self-righteous Pharisee and the tax collector, where the Pharisee proclaimed ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like everyone else—extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.'...Luke 18:9-14...the Pharisees were proud and self-righteous, viewing other men with great contempt...John 7:47, 49...
    Well, the author of Luke and John were upset at the Pharisee's because they told them they can't worship in the synagogues with people of the Jewish faith anymore. That sort of makes them biased when it comes to the evaluation.
    They were indignant that they weren't accepted because they were heretics.
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    "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Christians weren't persecuted by the Inquisitions - the most infamous being the Spanish Inquisition which continued into the 19th century.
    It was an attempt to stamp out all beliefs not sanctioned by Rome. I guess you could say Protestants were persecuted in Catholic countries.

    The Jews were persecuted.

    I didn't know you were aware of the Council of Nivea - actually there were several - that did so much to shape the Catholic religion and the Bible itself. By majority vote.
    Anyone who rejected Catholic teachings were persecuted...

    The Inquisition has its origins in the early organized persecution of non-Catholic Christian religions in Europe. In 1184 Pope Lucius III sent bishops to southern France to track down heretics called Catharists. These efforts continued into the 14th Century.
    Inquisition - HISTORY
    Beginning of the Catholic “Inquisition” - Google Search

    Granted, some good came from the Council, much badness came from it, too...many false doctrines were adopted...
    “Your dead will live. My corpses will rise up. Awake and shout joyfully, You residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of the morning, And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life." Isaiah 26:19

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Anyone who rejected Catholic teachings were persecuted...



    Inquisition - HISTORY
    Beginning of the Catholic “Inquisition” - Google Search

    Granted, some good came from the Council, much badness came from it, too...many false doctrines were adopted...
    Yes but Christians weren't persecuted as a group

    What good came from the council...a unified church that was to burn thousands in god's name?

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Yes but Christians weren't persecuted as a group

    What good came from the council...a unified church that was to burn thousands in god's name?
    Correction...unified apostasy which tried their best to stamp out the truth, which they did very well for several centuries...
    “Your dead will live. My corpses will rise up. Awake and shout joyfully, You residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of the morning, And the earth will let those powerless in death come to life." Isaiah 26:19

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Rich2018 View Post
    Like most pastors today.

    The have a reaveled truth and cannot be wrong.

    Certain Catholic churches reverted back to Latin prayers which the congregation cannot understand. Was this to increase the mystique of the church and to promote the "holier-than-thou" attitude of its leaders?
    I wondered whether congregations cannot understand Latin prayers, so I Googled: do catholics understand the latin mass - Google Search

    I also Googled to learn if/why the Latin Mass is coming back: why the latin mass has come back - Google Search

    Some hymns are sung in a language other than English--"Adeste Fideles," for example--so my guess is that congregations do know some Latin (and Spanish too). Growing up High Church Episcopalian/Anglican, I knew what the "Kyrie" means, also the "Sanctus" and "Agnus Dei," etc. And it's not just Episcopalians, of course, who are familiar with some Latin; anybody who is a serious singer, and this includes atheists, knows quite a bit of Latin.

    You make two assumptions, and I'm not sure why you think that increasing "mystique" or promoting a "holier-than-thou attitude" is desired or a thing. This says more about you than I think you realize.

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvira View Post
    Correction...unified apostasy which tried their best to stamp out the truth, which they did very well for several centuries...
    They thought they were protecting the true faith.

    All churches today (and yes I include yours) believe they have the revealed truth.


    How many JW are there - is there no hope for the billions of other souls on Earth?

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    Re: [W:843] How religious thinking works

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I wondered whether congregations cannot understand Latin prayers, so I Googled: do catholics understand the latin mass - Google Search

    I also Googled to learn if/why the Latin Mass is coming back: why the latin mass has come back - Google Search

    Some hymns are sung in a language other than English--"Adeste Fideles," for example--so my guess is that congregations do know some Latin (and Spanish too). Growing up High Church Episcopalian/Anglican, I knew what the "Kyrie" means, also the "Sanctus" and "Agnus Dei," etc. And it's not just Episcopalians, of course, who are familiar with some Latin; anybody who is a serious singer, and this includes atheists, knows quite a bit of Latin.

    You make two assumptions, and I'm not sure why you think that increasing "mystique" or promoting a "holier-than-thou attitude" is desired or a thing. This says more about you than I think you realize.
    My wife was a catholic and doesn't understand hardly any Latin.


    "Salve, Regina, Mater misericordiæ,
    vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
    Ad te clamamus exsules filii Hevæ,
    Ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
    in hac lacrimarum valle.
    "


    Yeah she knows that hymn refers to Mary, mother of Mercy.

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