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[W:843] How religious thinking works

stevecanuck said:
In the U.S. 11 people have been killed at abortion clinics in the last 26 years. That hardly constitutes adherence to a well defined religious tenet. It's a bad joke when people say not to judge Islam on "a tiny minority" of Muslims who kill, then try to marry Christianity to the infrequent nut-bar who attacks a clinic.

In Muslim countries, not a single abortion doctor has been killed, so that's a point for your side. Oh, wait. Just maybe that's because there's no such thing as an abortion doctor in Islamic countries.
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Your link seems to have disappeared.
 
stevecanuck said:
In the U.S. 11 people have been killed at abortion clinics in the last 26 years. That hardly constitutes adherence to a well defined religious tenet. It's a bad joke when people say not to judge Islam on "a tiny minority" of Muslims who kill, then try to marry Christianity to the infrequent nut-bar who attacks a clinic.

In Muslim countries, not a single abortion doctor has been killed, so that's a point for your side. Oh, wait. Just maybe that's because there's no such thing as an abortion doctor in Islamic countries.
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Wrong.
 
stevecanuck said:
Ok, I'm willing to believe you. However, the link you undoubtedly provided seems to have disappeared. Perhaps you could repost it.
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I posted the link.


OM
 
stevecanuck said:
Yes, but there's no abortion clinic. This is strictly back alley stuff. There are no clinic such as PP to target.
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Those goal posts must be quite heavy. Careful when moving them like that, you may injure yourself.

stevecanuck said:
In Muslim countries, not a single abortion doctor has been killed, so that's a point for your side. Oh, wait. Just maybe that's because there's no such thing as an abortion doctor in Islamic countries.
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OM
 
Omega Man said:
Those goal posts must be quite heavy. Careful when moving them like that, you may injure yourself.




OM
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The goal posts remain where they've always been. If you want to pretend I wasn't talking about abortion clinics all along, I guess you're free to do so. The term "abortion doctors" is specific. Of course there are doctors who preform abortions out of medical necessity, but they are NOT "abortion doctors".
 
Rich2018 said:
Because religion bans investigative thinking. This have a knock-on effect to their children and so on.

How many original thinking scientists have we lost to religions indoctrination?
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More than you think. I remember taking a course at UCSB back in 1976 called the Cosmic Frontiers of General Relativity from Richard Kaufmann 111. He was a contemporary physicist of Stephen Hawking. Someone asked him if he believed God exists. There were snickers from some like yourselves. But, his answer was well-thought out. He said he could not see this universe being in existence without God. There are thousands of scientists around the world who believe in a literal God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So, science and religion can certainly co-exist for those who are religious. But, for those who are not religious, they hate those who believe in God. It's astounding the liberal leftists have no ability to co-exist with.
 
stevecanuck said:
Islam. God talks to Muslims through the Qur'an and they listen and obey. The end.
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There are Muslim scientists. Islam does not forbid scientific study. There is no religion on earth that gets 100% fundamental compliance from its followers.
 
Rich2018 said:
Just their study of it.

How many Muslims have won a Nobel Prize?
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OM gave you the Nobel Prize winners, but it is irrelevant to your claim. Muslims still study and practice science. Winning prizes or not is not evidence for or against the study of science.
 
Cougarbear said:
More than you think. I remember taking a course at UCSB back in 1976 called the Cosmic Frontiers of General Relativity from Richard Kaufmann 111. He was a contemporary physicist of Stephen Hawking. Someone asked him if he believed God exists. There were snickers from some like yourselves. But, his answer was well-thought out. He said he could not see this universe being in existence without God. There are thousands of scientists around the world who believe in a literal God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So, science and religion can certainly co-exist for those who are religious. But, for those who are not religious, they hate those who believe in God. It's astounding the liberal leftists have no ability to co-exist with.
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Well, for one, it's 'William Kaufmann iii' Next, that argument is the 'argument from personal belief', also known as 'argument from ignorance'. It's one thing to say that, it's another thing to show it's true. The comment about 'liberal leftists' is showing a strong bias that has nothing to do what so ever with the subject. It is the argument from emotive terms, and doesn't add anything of value to the discussion.
 
stevecanuck said:
The goal posts remain where they've always been. If you want to pretend I wasn't talking about abortion clinics all along, I guess you're free to do so. The term "abortion doctors" is specific. Of course there are doctors who preform abortions out of medical necessity, but they are NOT "abortion doctors".
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Cougarbear said:
More than you think. I remember taking a course at UCSB back in 1976 called the Cosmic Frontiers of General Relativity from Richard Kaufmann 111. He was a contemporary physicist of Stephen Hawking. Someone asked him if he believed God exists. There were snickers from some like yourselves. But, his answer was well-thought out. He said he could not see this universe being in existence without God. There are thousands of scientists around the world who believe in a literal God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So, science and religion can certainly co-exist for those who are religious. But, for those who are not religious, they hate those who believe in God. It's astounding the liberal leftists have no ability to co-exist with.
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You took the course but didn't know the guy's name?
 
stevecanuck said:
The goal posts remain where they've always been. If you want to pretend I wasn't talking about abortion clinics all along, I guess you're free to do so. The term "abortion doctors" is specific. Of course there are doctors who preform abortions out of medical necessity, but they are NOT "abortion doctors".
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You said there were no abortion doctors in Muslim countries.
It was then demonstrated to you that there were.
You then, afterwards, re-framed it to say abortion clinics. That's known as moving the goal posts.

Has nothing to do with me "pretending" about what you were talking about. My response was in direct relation to your statement. Had you said "clinics", I probably wouldn't have said a thing.

It's all good though.

OM
 
Omega Man said:
You said there were no abortion doctors in Muslim countries.
It was then demonstrated to you that there were.
You then, afterwards, re-framed it to say abortion clinics. That's known as moving the goal posts.

Has nothing to do with me "pretending" about what you were talking about. My response was in direct relation to your statement. Had you said "clinics", I probably wouldn't have said a thing.

It's all good though.

OM
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I too would have let it go if it had been the word clinics. He was wrong but past experience shows that he will never admit to a mistake.
 
devildavid said:
How are religiously deluded idiots less of a danger than regular deluded idiots who think they are clever?
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I am not sure they are less of a danger, just still the same danger really.

Those who think they have the answers are OK. Those who know they have the answers and need not bother to think any more are always the danger.
 
Tim the plumber said:
I am not sure they are less of a danger, just still the same danger really.

Those who think they have the answers are OK. Those who know they have the answers and need not bother to think any more are always the danger.
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Never mind my previous reply (since deleted); I figured out the distinction afterwards.


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Cougarbear said:
More than you think. I remember taking a course at UCSB back in 1976 called the Cosmic Frontiers of General Relativity from Richard Kaufmann 111. He was a contemporary physicist of Stephen Hawking. Someone asked him if he believed God exists. There were snickers from some like yourselves. But, his answer was well-thought out. He said he could not see this universe being in existence without God. There are thousands of scientists around the world who believe in a literal God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So, science and religion can certainly co-exist for those who are religious. But, for those who are not religious, they hate those who believe in God. It's astounding the liberal leftists have no ability to co-exist with.
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For the religious scientist, what happens when a scientific finding contradicts his/her religious beliefs?
 
devildavid said:
There are Muslim scientists. Islam does not forbid scientific study.
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Correct, it does not. It would, however, forbid teaching any scientific findings that contradict the Qur'an (which would include just about any scientific finding).

There is no religion on earth that gets 100% fundamental compliance from its followers.
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Correct again, but what are saying that in response to?
 
devildavid said:
There is no religion on earth that gets 100% fundamental compliance from its followers.
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Not true...true Christianity that adheres as closely to Bible teachings as possible does...
 
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