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[W:843] How religious thinking works

Elvira said:
So, you prefer stagnation...people who are unwilling to admit when they're wrong...I see...
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I must have freedom to think what and how I want. Even if because of it I am lost. Did you not see my signature?
 
nota bene said:
That's neither fair nor true.
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Yes it is.

Evidence tells us Noah's flood never happened. There is zero evidence outside of an old tale that the exodus happened. People can't live inside a fish for three days. Mankind wasn't poofed into existence, we evolved over billions of years.

If you believe the bible is the word of a god, then that god sure got a lot of things wrong. A modern middle school student could tell you that.
 
Elvira said:
Absolutely not...can I prove it to you if you refuse to acknowledge it...absolutely not...ignorance is bliss, yes, I suppose it is in your case...I'm not in the habit of banging my head against a brick wall...
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That's a untruthful response. You were asked to tell us how you know Satan didn't write the bible, and that you are being deceived.

So instead of deflecting, tell us how do you know Satan didn't write the bible, and how you know he isn't deceiving you right now? The true good God could be inspiring me right now, trying to lead you back from Satan's clutches, and he just needs you to think about this question.
 
JustHanging said:
That's a untruthful response. You were asked to tell us how you know Satan didn't write the bible, and that you are being deceived.

So instead of deflecting, tell us how do you know Satan didn't write the bible, and how you know he isn't deceiving you right now? The true good God could be inspiring me right now, trying to lead you back from Satan's clutches, and he just needs you to think about this question.
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We await her proof.
 
JustHanging said:
Yes it is.

Evidence tells us Noah's flood never happened. There is zero evidence outside of an old tale that the exodus happened. People can't live inside a fish for three days. Mankind wasn't poofed into existence, we evolved over billions of years.

If you believe the bible is the word of a god, then that god sure got a lot of things wrong. A modern middle school student could tell you that.
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Which kind of disproves the Bible.
 
eman623 said:
Yes, but it's not so cut and dry. The JWs have done something very much like a scientific method. Many - probably most - of it's founder's beliefs are no longer official Church doctrine. And the JWs still change doctrine all the time, for example on when the "day and hour" signaling the end of the existing world.

And history is replete with examples of brilliant established scientists resisting changing their thinking in light of new evidence. Many get there eventually, but some never accept the new theories.
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Yes JW are or have been an end of the world sect and embarrassingly retracted its claim.

Since the last apocalyptic prophesy, JW have refrained from putting a religious spin or their "evidence"

The difference is that a scientist will admit to mistakes.
 
zyzygy said:
We await her proof.
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If you think about it, the bible separates out the people who you wouldn't want to spend eternity with. People who are willing to support Genocide, Slavery, Pedophelia, in order to live for all eternity in a wonderful place, and avoid being tortured themselves.

In other words, people with no character, willing to sell others out if it benefits them. If there is a god, the bible and q'aran is their way of sorting out the people they doesn't want to spend eternity with.
 
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JustHanging said:
If you think about it, the bible separates out the people who you wouldn't want to spend eternity with. People who are willing to support Genocide, Slavery, Pedophelia, in order to live for all eternity in a wonderful place, and avoid being tortured themselves.

In other words, people with no character, willing to sell others out if it benefits them. If there is a god, the bible and q'aran is their way of sorting out the people they doesn't want to spend eternity with.
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There is only one major difference between you and I...you consider me the enemy...I consider you a fellow human being...
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes JW are or have been an end of the world sect and embarrassingly retracted its claim.

Since the last apocalyptic prophesy, JW have refrained from putting a religious spin or their "evidence"

The difference is that a scientist will admit to mistakes.
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Since the last failed idiotic prophecy of 1976 they have refrained from making even bigger fools of themselves.
 
Elvira said:
lol...nope no challenge there...I am very confident of my faith and my beliefs...
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The people you think are deceived are equally confident in their faith an beliefs. Imagine that.
 
zyzygy said:
Since the last failed idiotic prophecy of 1976 they have refrained from making even bigger fools of themselves.
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Do you know the next end of the world prophesy so I can join that particular cult and buy all their houses and cars etc off them for $1 to day of?
 
Rich2018 said:
Do you know the next end of the world prophesy so I can join that particular cult and buy all their houses and cars etc off them for $1 to day of?
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They have stopped naming an actual date to obviate making fools of themselves yet again.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes JW are or have been an end of the world sect and embarrassingly retracted its claim.

Since the last apocalyptic prophesy, JW have refrained from putting a religious spin or their "evidence"

The difference is that a scientist will admit to mistakes.
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JW's admit to mistakes too. They won't call them that, but then most scientists don't like to use the "m" word either. They'll both say something about "best evidence available" and "an evolving understanding of the matter", but it amounts to the same thing.
 
eman623 said:
JW's admit to mistakes too. They won't call them that, but then most scientists don't like to use the "m" word either. They'll both say something about "best evidence available" and "an evolving understanding of the matter", but it amounts to the same thing.
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The difference is that science is based on reality and follows the evidence and scientists do admit when they are wrong.
 
zyzygy said:
The difference is that science is based on reality and follows the evidence and scientists do admit when they are wrong.
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The difference is that science confines itself to that which is provable by the scientific method. Religion explores areas that are not provable by normal methodology.

Einstein never accepted the Big Bang theory. Was he wrong or is everyone else wrong?
 
eman623 said:
The difference is that science confines itself to that which is provable by the scientific method. Religion explores areas that are not provable by normal methodology.

Einstein never accepted the Big Bang theory. Was he wrong or is everyone else wrong?
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Einstein himself lost little time in abandoning his static cosmology, publishing in early 1931 a model of the expanding universe similar to that of Friedman.

https://physicstoday.scitation.org/do/10.1063/PT.6.3.20181030a/full/
 
eman623 said:
JW's admit to mistakes too. They won't call them that, but then most scientists don't like to use the "m" word either. They'll both say something about "best evidence available" and "an evolving understanding of the matter", but it amounts to the same thing.
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Religions will generally adhere to a proclaimed revealed truth - they claim to know the answer no cobble together a prediction based on evidence.
Many cults come up with a date for the end of the world and then scramble to backtrack and explain how they're still right.

Science will accept it is wrong and freely admit so. Though it may be embarrassing to the individuals who supported the theory.
Einstein was more than happy to give up his static universe model. What matters is truth not a dogmatic adherence to scripture.
 
Rich2018 said:
Religions will generally adhere to a proclaimed revealed truth - they claim to know the answer no cobble together a prediction based on evidence.
Many cults come up with a date for the end of the world and then scramble to backtrack and explain how they're still right.

Science will accept it is wrong and freely admit so. Though it may be embarrassing to the individuals who supported the theory.
Einstein was more than happy to give up his static universe model. What matters is truth not a dogmatic adherence to scripture.
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I'm not disagreeing with the general notion that science and religion use very different methods to explain reality. But people are people, and in my experience people who are scientists are as resistant to change as people who are theologians. Which is not to say that scientists or theologians never change. They do.
 
JustHanging said:
Yes it is.

Evidence tells us Noah's flood never happened. There is zero evidence outside of an old tale that the exodus happened. People can't live inside a fish for three days. Mankind wasn't poofed into existence, we evolved over billions of years.

If you believe the bible is the word of a god, then that god sure got a lot of things wrong. A modern middle school student could tell you that.
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You're entitled to your opinion. And what you've expressed here is just that.
 
eman623 said:
I'm not disagreeing with the general notion that science and religion use very different methods to explain reality. But people are people, and in my experience people who are scientists are as resistant to change as people who are theologians. Which is not to say that scientists or theologians never change. They do.
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Then you have experience of bad scientists. If new data leads to a different conclusion, they should make that new conclusion.

They may still be wrong.

That's what peer review is all about.
 
nota bene said:
You're entitled to your opinion....
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I'm reminded of a line from a classic BBC TV Sci-Fi drama Blake's 7:

Vila: I'm entitled to my opinion
Avon: Yes but it's your assumption that we're also entitled to it that's irritating.
 
nota bene said:
You're entitled to your opinion. And what you've expressed here is just that.
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It is more than an opinion. There is no evidence for the tall tales in the Bible.
 
nota bene said:
You're entitled to your opinion. And what you've expressed here is just that.
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Do you claim a world wide flood actually happened?
 
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