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[W:843] How religious thinking works

American said:
Muslims are nothing like the Amish. Only a the disingenuous and delusional would believe that.
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Yes they are.

Both spurn technological advancement.


If the USA was a zealot Christian, Bible worshiping country, would it have ever set foot on the moon?



Edit: Did you actually watch the video to get the point?
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes they are.

Both spurn technological advancement.


If the USA was a zealot Christian, Bible worshiping country, would it have ever set foot on the moon?



Edit: Did you actually watch the video to get the point?
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Strawman; you haven't established that the US was ever such a country, nor that it every spurned technology advances.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
I'm not sure which way around this goes.

Does religion cause people to make stupid decisions, or are people who make stupid decision more likely to accept religion?
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Consider Mao's "Great Leap Forward." One of the stupidest things ever done by a modern political leader, but it was entirely motivated by an atheistic mentality.

So, one can't align stupidity only with religion.
 
Ouroboros said:
Consider Mao's "Great Leap Forward." One of the stupidest things ever done by a modern political leader, but it was entirely motivated by an atheistic mentality.
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It was a totalitarian mentality.


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American said:
Strawman; you haven't established that the US was ever such a country, nor that it every spurned technology advances.
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The USA did go to the moon? I think the answer firmly establishes that.

Are you saying the the Amish do not spurn technical advances?
 
Ouroboros said:
Consider Mao's "Great Leap Forward." One of the stupidest things ever done by a modern political leader, but it was entirely motivated by an atheistic mentality.

So, one can't align stupidity only with religion.
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No you can't. Though "stupidity" in this case was that Mao did what he wanted to do for his own political reasons. It was good for him, not for everyone else. This is the problem of people doing what is only in their own interests.
 
Rich2018 said:
The USA did go to the moon? I think the answer firmly establishes that.

Are you saying the the Amish do not spurn technical advances?
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I'm saying you cherry-picked a certain population of people to make your point about ALL religious people. It goes without saying that it's a load of horse****.
 
American said:
Strawman; you haven't established that the US was ever such a country, nor that it every spurned technology advances.
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Stem cell research. Spurned due to religion.

Leaving the Paris Accord and cutting funding for research. Certainly the USA spurning technology, and if not directly done in the name of religion, largely supported by fundamental Christians. Typical excuses given: a) Jesus gave the planet to man to do what they want with it, or b) Jesus is coming soon, so why worry?
 
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stevecanuck said:
In the U.S. 11 people have been killed at abortion clinics in the last 26 years. That hardly constitutes adherence to a well defined religious tenet. It's a bad joke when people say not to judge Islam on "a tiny minority" of Muslims who kill, then try to marry Christianity to the infrequent nut-bar who attacks a clinic.

In Muslim countries, not a single abortion doctor has been killed, so that's a point for your side. Oh, wait. Just maybe that's because there's no such thing as an abortion doctor in Islamic countries.
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I was agreeing with you. I gave an example. Have you now changed your argument?

stevecanuck said:
They're (religions) even more dangerous because they honestly believe their actions comply with God's wishes.
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So, exactly how many people have to die in the name of Christianity before you see it as a problem?

Oh, wait. You only count murders committed by fundamental Muslims. As we can see above, you make excuses and dismiss murders committed by fundamental Christians with some hand-waving.

Christian militias in Central African Republic 'burnt witches at stake', says UN report - Telegraph


Secular society has greatly weakened Christianity, forcing it to adhere to more civilized norms and morals. But never forget what it was like when it held power, and used the bible to justify horrid acts, acts the bible condones: Slavery, Inquisition, Crusades, Pedophilia, Human Sacrifice.
 
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American said:
I'm saying you cherry-picked a certain population of people to make your point about ALL religious people. It goes without saying that it's a load of horse****.
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You don't know what cherry picking is.

If the religious right had its way, all of the USA would have the same attitude to science as the Amish people do....and almost all Muslims do.

They would put religion in the science class.
 
JustHanging said:
I was agreeing with you. I gave an example. Have you now changed your argument?



So, exactly how many people have to die in the name of Christianity before you see it as a problem?

Oh, wait. You only count murders committed by fundamental Muslims. As we can see above, you make excuses and dismiss murders committed by fundamental Christians with some hand-waving.

Christian militias in Central African Republic 'burnt witches at stake', says UN report - Telegraph


Secular society has greatly weakened Christianity, forcing it to adhere to more civilized norms and morals. But never forget what it was like when it held power, and used the bible to justify horrid acts, acts the bible condones: Slavery, Inquisition, Crusades, Pedophilia, Human Sacrifice.
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Show me where Jesus said or did anything to justify burning witches in his name.
 
stevecanuck said:
Show me where Jesus said or did anything to justify burning witches in his name.
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Jesus stated that OT laws still apply:
Matthew 5:18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

And OT law says to kill witches:
Exodus 22:17 You should not let a sorceress live.


Those modern Christians were adhering to Jesus' wishes by burning those "witches" alive.


EDIT: You used hand-waving to ignore Christians killing in the name of their God because of number killed in the example I gave. Please answer the question I asked in the post you replied to:

So, exactly how many people have to die in the name of Christianity before you see it as a problem?
 
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JustHanging said:
So, exactly how many people have to die in the name of Christianity before you see it as a problem?
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Tsk tsk...

You can't diss Biblical Christianity by citing examples of people who violate its principles.

On the other hand, godless secular humanism doesn't have any objective principles, and those without Christ are dropping down into Hell minute-by-minute by the bushel.

Godless secular humanism's end game is Hell.
 
Logicman said:
Tsk tsk...

You can't diss Biblical Christianity by citing examples of people who violate its principles.
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Actually I showed how they were following Biblical Christianity, using the bible. You are aware that the bible condones genocide, slavery, murder, human sacrifice, among other evil practices, correct?


On the other hand, godless secular humanism doesn't have any objective principles,
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No, secularists aren't like dogs who have been told to stay off the sofa, but have no idea why. There are no objective moral principles.

and those without Christ are dropping down into Hell minute-by-minute by the bushel.


Godless secular humanism's end game is Hell.
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Hate to break it to you, you're far far more likely to end up in Hell than I am. If a god exists, I would say your odds of escaping Hell are roughly 1:2000.
 
JustHanging said:
Actually I showed how they were following Biblical Christianity, using the bible. You are aware that the bible condones genocide, slavery, murder, human sacrifice, among other evil practices, correct?




No, secularists aren't like dogs who have been told to stay off the sofa, but have no idea why. There are no objective moral principles.



Hate to break it to you, you're far far more likely to end up in Hell than I am. If a god exists, I would say your odds of escaping Hell are roughly 1:2000.
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So are yours...anyone who dies ends up in hell, even Jesus...
 
JustHanging said:
Jesus stated that OT laws still apply:
Matthew 5:18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

And OT law says to kill witches:
Exodus 22:17 You should not let a sorceress live.


Those modern Christians were adhering to Jesus' wishes by burning those "witches" alive.


EDIT: You used hand-waving to ignore Christians killing in the name of their God because of number killed in the example I gave. Please answer the question I asked in the post you replied to:

So, exactly how many people have to die in the name of Christianity before you see it as a problem?
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What did he DO to back that up? How many executions did he oversee? Did he not actually halt a stoning? Your bias is allowing you to only look at one side of the ledger.
 
stevecanuck said:
What did he DO to back that up? How many executions did he oversee? Did he not actually halt a stoning? Your bias is allowing you to only look at one side of the ledger.
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Excellent point, which shows Jesus meant something other than the misconceived notion JH keeps insisting he meant in Matthew 5:18...not that he'll ever acknowledge his mistake or anything...
 
stevecanuck said:
What did he DO to back that up?
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Your argument is that if Jesus gave an instruction, but there is not "X" numbers of cases to back it up, it doesn't count? Are you effing serious?

Not only is it a ridiculous argument, but if you knew your bible better, would know that Jesus does back it up:

Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.


How many executions did he oversee? Did he not actually halt a stoning? Your bias is allowing you to only look at one side of the ledger.
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That's projection. You're the one denying the Christian half of the ledger. What half am I denying?
 
Elvira said:
Excellent point, which shows Jesus meant something other than the misconceived notion JH keeps insisting he meant in Matthew 5:18...not that he'll ever acknowledge his mistake or anything...
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Except Jesus did "back it up":

Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.


Anyone with even the most crude and base morals knows that you say: "Slaves, escape your earthly masters at the first opportunity." And proving that I am more moral than Jesus.
 
Omega Man said:
Or more significantly, neither are they exclusive to each other.


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You are free to find it significant if you please. I've merely countered the dominant tendency of the thread to indulge in the easily disprovable idea that secular ideologies can't be as crazy as religious ones.
 
JustHanging said:
Except Jesus did "back it up":

Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.


Anyone with even the most crude and base morals knows that you say: "Slaves, escape your earthly masters at the first opportunity." And proving that I am more moral than Jesus.
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Jesus did not write or say the 1st verse of Ephesians...:2razz:...slavery was a dominate part of the culture back then, which Paul readily realized...;)
 
Ouroboros said:
You are free to find it significant if you please.
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Which is precisely what you did when you framed atheism as somehow being the bedrock of China's failed "Great Step Forward".


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