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devildavid said:
A parent is not obligated to teach their child anything at all. We may expect that parents want their children to follow their lead just because they think is best for them.
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Food in their bellies? Check.
Clothes on their backs? Check.
Roof over their heads? Check.

Those are the obligations. Anything beyond that is gravy.


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bongsaway said:
Why is it that people seem to insist those who don't believe in their god are not good people and need to be 'educated'?
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That is an excellent question, and would love to know the answer from those who feel that way.


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Omega Man said:
Food in their bellies? Check.
Clothes on their backs? Check.
Roof over their heads? Check.

Those are the obligations. Anything beyond that is gravy.


OM
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Just try not teaching a child things like self control, how to prioritize, how to be humble, how to be/show gratitude, how to work, how to be resilient, how to accept constructive criticism, how to be responsible, and last but certainly not least, moral values...just try not teaching a child those things and see how far he gets in the world...chances are, he'll end up in jail before adulthood...
 
Elvira said:
Just try not teaching a child things like self control, how to prioritize, how to be humble, how to be/show gratitude, how to work, how to be resilient, how to accept constructive criticism, how to be responsible, and last but certainly not least, moral values...just try not teaching a child those things and see how far he gets in the world...chances are, he'll end up in jail before adulthood...
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I'm with you on that; all things I've attempted to instill within my own child. But parents are not "obligated" for any of that; they are merely obligated to provide food, shelter, and clothing.


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Omega Man said:
I'm with you on that; all things I've attempted to instill within my own child. But parents are not "obligated" for any of that; they are merely obligated to provide food, shelter, and clothing.


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IN a legal sense. There is also the moral sense, which is more than that.
 
RAMOSS said:
IN a legal sense. There is also the moral sense, which is more than that.
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Precisely; the distinction between legal and moral, being objective and subjective.


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Omega Man said:
Food in their bellies? Check.
Clothes on their backs? Check.
Roof over their heads? Check.

Those are the obligations. Anything beyond that is gravy.


OM
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I believe that any practicing Jew or Muslim who circumcises their child is guilty of child abuse and should go to prison.
 
Logician Man said:
A parent informing/encouraging their offspring that it is OK to ask questions about religious dogma validity, as their offspring go through their truth seeking journey on matters of religion, since there is no way to definitively prove, or disprove, whether or not religious claims are verifiable ?
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Is there anything wrong with a parent encouraging their rug runners to question scientific dogmatism?

"Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close.

Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe and why it is here? Not even close.

Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close.

Are physicists and biologists willing to believe anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough.

Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough.

Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good? Not even close to being close.

Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences? Close enough.

Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even ballpark.

Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on." - Agnostic Physicist David Berlinski

David Berlinski is a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture."
 
Logicman said:
Is there anything wrong with a parent encouraging their rug runners to question scientific dogmatism?

"Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close.

Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe and why it is here? Not even close.

Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close.

Are physicists and biologists willing to believe anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough.

Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough.

Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good? Not even close to being close.

Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences? Close enough.

Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even ballpark.

Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on." - Agnostic Physicist David Berlinski

David Berlinski is a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture."
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Sheer 'logic' should tell you that your argument was a complete and total failure as soon as you answered the 'question' posed by asking another question. Maybe you missed that thread OP question is about questioning 'religion', not 'science' ?
 
Logicman said:
Is there anything wrong with a parent encouraging their rug runners to question scientific dogmatism?

"Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close.

Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe and why it is here? Not even close.

Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close.

Are physicists and biologists willing to believe anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough.

Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough.

Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good? Not even close to being close.

Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences? Close enough.

Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even ballpark.

Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on." - Agnostic Physicist David Berlinski

David Berlinski is a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture."
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There is nothing wrong with prompting your children to question anything that's unproven; whether it's a positive or a negative.


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Logicman said:
"Has anyone provided a proof of God’s inexistence? Not even close.
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Has anyone provided proof of God's existence? Not at all, so why even believe such nonsense?

Has quantum cosmology explained the emergence of the universe and why it is here? Not even close.
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Has religion? Not beyond an irrational myth that lacks foundation.

Have the sciences explained why our universe seems to be fine-tuned to allow for the existence of life? Not even close.
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Has religion? Not at all, however science has a better chance of resolving the question than religion ever will.

Are physicists and biologists willing to believe anything so long as it is not religious thought? Close enough.
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A heavily biased lie.

Has rationalism in moral thought provided us with an understanding of what is good, what is right, and what is moral? Not close enough.
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It has done a far better job than religion. Religion promotes division for a start.

Has secularism in the terrible twentieth century been a force for good? Not even close to being close.
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Yes, it has. Since the Renaissance we, as a people have been shedding the control of religious hegemony and our lives a far better for it.

Is there a narrow and oppressive orthodoxy of thought and opinion within the sciences? Close enough.
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Untrue, but this applies to religious dogma very well.

Does anything in the sciences or in their philosophy justify the claim that religious belief is irrational? Not even ballpark.
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Of course not, for that belongs to the discipline of philosophy itself, not science. The sub branch of philosophy known as 'logic' certainly demonstrates that religion is irrational.

Is scientific atheism a frivolous exercise in intellectual contempt? Dead on." - Agnostic Physicist David Berlinski[/B]
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Is religious dogma an exercise in intellectual dishonesty? Dead on.
 
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Omega Man said:
I'm with you on that; all things I've attempted to instill within my own child. But parents are not "obligated" for any of that; they are merely obligated to provide food, shelter, and clothing.


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I guess your obligations differ from my obligations...
 
Rich2018 said:
I believe that any practicing Jew or Muslim who circumcises their child is guilty of child abuse and should go to prison.
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What if they're a gentile?:2razz:
 
Elvira said:
What if they're a gentile?:2razz:
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Then I would assume the circumcision was for medical not religious reason.

But if it makes you feel better, any circumcision not done out of medical necessity. :)
 
Rich2018 said:
Then I would assume the circumcision was for medical not religious reason.

But if it makes you feel better, any circumcision not done out of medical necessity. :)
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Baloney...men who are uncircumcised are nasty...
 
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