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12,000 years ago in CHINA vs. 6000 years ago Garden of Eden?

Dragonfly said:
Yes - there's some controversy, but it hasn't been proven to be wrong by orders of magnitude that might suggest something determined to be 12,000 years old is actually only 2000 years old.


The issues with it are typically more when looking at things older than 20,000 years.

So the 12,000 year old skull is surely well within a confidence level of >95% (guessing here) regarding age.
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I personally don't subscribe to a "young Earth" theory, and I suspect hominids (albeit, not humans) existed prior to Adam and Eve in Eden. My church teaches a recreation at the time of Adam and Eve following an unspecified event (possibly a Satanic rebellion) that rendered Earth "chaotic and void" (Genesis 1:2), which follows from several key scriptures as well as the nigh indisputable fact (assuming constancy of physical laws) that the Earth is several billion years old. Hence I can only refer to young-Earth theories by proxy, having no detailed knowledge of them.

Having said this, what little I have read in that domain points out that radiocarbon dating is beholden to assumptions about levels of atmospheric 14 carbon, Earth's magnetosphere, background radiation, the media in which samples are excavated, and other variables, and contends that huge errors are indeed very possible (likely, even) when these assumptions are violated, especially for samples older than 3,500-4,500 years where the concentration of residual carbon 14 isotopes is extremely small.

If you search on the subject, you'll find dueling claims, debunkings, debunkings of debunkings, etc. Enough to keep you occupied for a lifetime, I suspect.
 
COTO said:
I personally don't subscribe to a "young Earth" theory, and I suspect hominids (albeit, not humans) existed prior to Adam and Eve in Eden. My church teaches a recreation at the time of Adam and Eve following an unspecified event that rendered Earth "chaotic and void" (Genesis 1:2), which follows from several key scriptures as well as the nigh indisputable fact (assuming constancy of physical laws) that the Earth is several billion years old. Hence I can only refer to young-Earth theories by proxy, having no detailed knowledge of them.

Having said this, what little I have read in that domain points out that radiocarbon dating is beholden to assumptions about levels of atmospheric 14 carbon, Earth's magnetosphere, background radiation, the media in which samples are excavated, and other variables, and contends that huge errors are indeed very possible (likely, even) when these assumptions are violated, especially for samples older than 3,500-4,500 years where the concentration of residual carbon 14 isotopes is extremely small.

If you search on the subject, you'll find dueling claims, debunkings, debunkings of debunkings, etc. Enough to keep you occupied for a lifetime, I suspect.
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Yeah, and it should be noted that the controversies around carbon dating exist outside of a religious context. Not that I believe in a young earth either, this is just an interesting tangent.
 
WCH said:
But your love for the Commies shines through.
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:lamo Good grief, WCH... You do know Christ was a communist, right? Why else do you think we celebrate communion? :lamo


:lamo

I love hyper conservative Christians, they're more fun than Pokémon.
 
zyzygy said:
This god is a real joker!!!
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There actually is a cute joke on the topic.
A devout man has prayed all his life for God to speak to him, and one day he does.
The voice says, what is it you want to know my child?
Lord is it true that a million dollars is but a penny to you?
Yes!
and Lord is a million years but a second to you?
Yes!
Lord could you spare a penny?
Sure just a second!
 
OlNate said:
Good grief, WCH... You do know Christ was a communist, right? Why else do you think we celebrate communion?




I love hyper conservative Christians, they're more fun than Pokémon.
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:allhail:cheers::bravo::2funny:
 
COTO said:
Search for "Is radiocarbon dating accurate?" and enter the great and controversial world of carbon 14 dating. :coffeepap
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Yeah, not the most reliable thing on earth...
 
Dragonfly said:
You do understand that some people don't think the Adam & Eve story is a metaphor, right?
Some think it's historically accurate fact.
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And how does it hurt you in any way if they do?
 
Just a side note....age of man does not equal the age of the earth...:roll:
 
Elvira said:
And how does it hurt you in any way if they do?
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Suppose they're an elected official?
Or perhaps a family member?


Think about it. It's really rather simple.

How might it hurt if another person nearby has a distinct inability to grasp fundamental scientific facts, and would rather cling to some somewhat extreme beliefs that are completely unsupported by any facts or data what-so-ever?


Ask a gay child how it might hurt if the child's parents are evangelicals.
 
Elvira said:
Yeah, not the most reliable thing on earth...
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Can it pin-point the hour/day/week/month? No.

Can it get within a reasonable window of time? More so than the source you rely on I'd bet.
 
Dragonfly said:
Suppose they're an elected official?
Or perhaps a family member?


Think about it. It's really rather simple.

How might it hurt if another person nearby has a distinct inability to grasp fundamental scientific facts, and would rather cling to some somewhat extreme beliefs that are completely unsupported by any facts or data what-so-ever?


Ask a gay child how it might hurt if the child's parents are evangelicals.
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That in no way affects the ability to make decisions...
 
Elvira said:
That in no way affects the ability to make decisions...
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Anybody can make decisions.

It's the decisions they make that affect others.
Don't your beliefs play a role in the decisions you make?
 
Dragonfly said:
Anybody can make decisions.

It's the decisions they make that affect others.
Don't your beliefs play a role in the decisions you make?
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Certainly not the fact that I believe Adam and Eve were the 1st human pair...
 
Elvira said:
Certainly not the fact that I believe Adam and Eve were the 1st human pair...
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Isn't it a rather substantial signal that you're overall thought process (ability to make reasonable decisions) is questionable?

If you asked me what color freshly fallen snow was at noon in January, and I said it was quite obviously magenta, would you then suspect any further comments from me might be questionable?
 
Elvira said:
Just a side note....age of man does not equal the age of the earth...:roll:
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And, that age of man is much older than the claims many Christians think the story about Adam and Eve is
 
Elvira said:
And how does it hurt you in any way if they do?
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the same way any crazy person would effect us, especially if they are teachers, government officials, doctors or, even, just voters.
 
WCH said:
A few miles from our home [without the alien skull procedure]
Leanderthal Lady in Texas - StoppingPoints.com

You Atheists harp on the most ridiculous things. But your love for the Commies shines through.
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Atheists love commies? Hm. Does that mean religious people hate them?
Just wondering, what does a 10-12,000 year old skeleton in Texas have to do with a 12,000 year old skeleton in China? Or atheists and commies, for that matter?

Oh wait, just figured it out. A 12,000 year old Chinese skeleton is an atheist commie and a 12,000 year old Texas skeleton is a commie-hating Christian. Am I right?
 
Elvira said:
Certainly not the fact that I believe Adam and Eve were the 1st human pair...
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Sorry, that story is a cover-up. The first two people God created, the first couple, were Adam and Steve.
 
Grand Mal said:
Sorry, that story is a cover-up. The first two people God created, the first couple, were Adam and Steve.
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Makes sense. God caught them ****ing around, grabbed Steve, and then said to Adam, "Here. let me make you a cleaner hole to use."
 
calamity said:
Makes sense. God caught them ****ing around, grabbed Steve, and then said to Adam, "Here. let me make you a cleaner hole to use."
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It get's worse. Steve went down the road to the next village and fathered a girl who became Cain's wife.
 
Grand Mal said:
Atheists love commies?
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Ummm....guilty.
 
COTO said:
Search for "Is radiocarbon dating accurate?" and enter the great and controversial world of carbon 14 dating. :coffeepap
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Don't be ridiculous, it's not controversial at all.

People try to make it controversial, by using C14 dating outside of it's applicable range, or by using contaminated samples, but scientists know about this, and when samples are properly analyzed it provides an accurate estimation of the date a once living thing existed.
 
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