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How One Naturalist Approaches Reality

Duh, If the naturalist is forced to stay fully clothed against his wishes, it will eventually impact his approach to reality. If he is allowed to his freedom to be unclothed wherever he wants, he is likely to immediately impact the approach to reality of others who are not naturalists - including prudes, police and jurists.

Did I get the answer right?
 
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btthegreat said:
If the naturalist is fully clothed against his wishes, it will eventually impact his approach to reality. If he is allowed to his freedom to be unclothed wherever he wants, he is likely to immediately impact the approach to reality of others who are not naturalists.

Did that help raise the level of this existential debate?
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If a man decides on killing himself by jumping off a tall building...but changes his mind on the way down.

Is it still suicide?
 
Rich2018 said:
Sorry, I forgot to mention he was naked.
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In that case his intent before he took off his clothes extends past the moment he could reach for them easily several feet away while playing sand volleyball. Similarly his intent before he jumped to commit suicide, extends to when he landed.
 
btthegreat said:
...similarly his intent before he jumped to commit suicide, extends to when he landed.
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So you're saying that if a man shoots another man but changes his mind before the bullet struck home, it would be a poor defense?


Are you not familiar with the concept of remorse?
 
Rich2018 said:
That make up a table.
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There are no tables at a quantum scale. Nor are there tables at a cosmic scale. People have this narrow belief that reality consists of what they perceive but human perception is very limited and doesn't even account for things that can be perceived but are not, much less things that cannot be perceived at all.
 
manofknowledge said:
There are no tables at a quantum scale. Nor are there tables at a cosmic scale. People have this narrow belief that reality consists of what they perceive but human perception is very limited and doesn't even account for things that can be perceived but are not, much less things that cannot be perceived at all.
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OK so a table is made up of atoms.

What's your point?
 
Rich2018 said:
OK so a table is made up of atoms.

What's your point?
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My point is you make assumptions about reality that fall apart if you change the scale of observation. It doesn't address a reality that goes beyond human perception, yet we know we only perceive a infinitesimal bit of any objective reality.
 
manofknowledge said:
My point is you make assumptions about reality that fall apart if you change the scale of observation. It doesn't address a reality that goes beyond human perception, yet we know we only perceive a infinitesimal bit of any objective reality.
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OK what observations about reality are manifestly wrong when you delve into the world of quantum physics?
 
manofknowledge said:
My point is you make assumptions about reality that fall apart if you change the scale of observation. It doesn't address a reality that goes beyond human perception, yet we know we only perceive a infinitesimal bit of any objective reality.
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Since I assume that you are human, how is it that you know what is beyond human perception?
 
manofknowledge said:
My point is you make assumptions about reality that fall apart if you change the scale of observation. It doesn't address a reality that goes beyond human perception, yet we know we only perceive a infinitesimal bit of any objective reality.
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If we can't perceive it then how do you know that it is there?
 
Rich2018 said:
OK what observations about reality are manifestly wrong when you delve into the world of quantum physics?
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First quantum physics is a theory. We cannot observe that world directly or perceive it in any way. There are no tables at that scale. In fact according to the latest thinking, matter doesn't exist either. You have a reality of pure energy that might result in multiple dimensions when zoomed out to our scale of perception.
 
devildavid said:
Since I assume that you are human, how is it that you know what is beyond human perception?
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I don't know and neither does anyone else. Consequently any deductions about the nature of reality are incomplete. Reality for humans is limited to the extent of our perceptual capacity extended some by instrumentation. No one knows the unknowable, but we do know we aren't aware of a great portion of reality. For example, we think there is a massive quantity of an undetectable material in the perceived universe that seems to be influencing the behavior of the cosmos. Scientitsts refer to it as Dark Matter, but we don't know what it is because we cannot perceive it.
 
zyzygy said:
But you said that it was there.
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I said we don't know the entirety of reality. There are many examples of indications we aren't aware of much of reality. Dark Matter is one example. The origin or nature of Gravity is another.
 
manofknowledge said:
I said we don't know the entirety of reality. There are many examples of indications we aren't aware of much of reality. Dark Matter is one example. The origin or nature of Gravity is another.
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Gravity is the distortion of spacetime and we know that dark matter exists because we can detect its effects.
 
zyzygy said:
Gravity is the distortion of spacetime and we know that dark matter exists because we can detect its effects.
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These are theories. Physicists are not even sure if time exists outside the human mind. What is spacetime?
 
manofknowledge said:
First quantum physics is a theory. We cannot observe that world directly or perceive it in any way. There are no tables at that scale. In fact according to the latest thinking, matter doesn't exist either. You have a reality of pure energy that might result in multiple dimensions when zoomed out to our scale of perception.
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I'm awre of quantum physics, who says there is no matter just energy?
 
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