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devildavid said:
I's easy if you would rather not put the effort in.
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Apathy always wins. That was my point earlier. It's an easy position to take and hold. Virtually undefeatable. Not really debating.
 
AProudLefty said:
No denomination ever endorsed Westboro Baptist Church.
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So what?

The Westboro Baptist Church is a religious group by open identification. The Ku Klux Klan was a fraternal organization not professing and particular religious creed, as evidenced by the fact Finnish Lutherans and Scotch Irish southern baptists equally joined despite both denominations not endorsing it
 
ecofarm said:
Apathy always wins. That was my point earlier. It's an easy position to take and hold. Virtually undefeatable. Not really debating.
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You had a point? Apathy always wins what?
 
devildavid said:
You had a point? Apathy always wins what?
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"We can't tell what's real and not, it's impossible." That's apathy. That's not caring about separating the wheat from the chaff. But we can discern. The Bible says judge not harshly lest you be judged the same. Condemning Westboro is not judging harshly. I will discard apathy and take a stand.
 
ecofarm said:
"We can't tell what's real and not, it's impossible." That's apathy. That's not caring about separating the wheat from the chaff. But we can discern. The Bible says judge not harshly lest you be judged the same. Condemning Westboro is not judging harshly. I will discard apathy and take a stand.
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No, that is not apathy. A bad christian is still a christian.
 
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AProudLefty said:
The definition of Christian is the one who believes in Jesus Christ.
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It involves much more than that...

“If you love me you will keep my commandments" John 14:15
 
Elvira said:
It involves much more than that...

“If you love me you will keep my commandments" John 14:15
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Correct. And the Westboro Baptist Church members are keeping his commandments.
 
devildavid said:
No, that is not apathy. A bad christian is still a christian.
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That is not what Jesus said...

"And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew* you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!" Matthew 7:23
 
RAMOSS said:
On the other hand, one of my friends mother survived the war because some Catholic nuns took her in as a 'Christian' orphan to escape the nazi's. After the war, her mother and uncle picked her up, and that's when she found out she was Jewish. She lost the rest of her family in the concentration camps. Those catholic nuns risked their lives so she could live.
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So it was because of Christianity that these women gave cover to a Jewish child? If it hadn't been for The Faith, they would have ratted her out in a heartbeat? And what about all the Christians who were not similarly protective of of Jews? Did The Faith, with its long history of antisemitism, influence them in a different direction? Or is Faith perhaps not that great a factor in all of this.
 
AProudLefty said:
Protestants don't think Catholics and Mormons are Christian. Do you think they're right?
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I don't recall a scripture where Jesus ever said to preach hatred...or false doctrines, either...
 
Elvira said:
Did Jesus say that?
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We're talking about following commandments. Jesus is the same God as the Old Testament, no? That isn't even the point. The point is the definition. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you're a Christian.
 
AProudLefty said:
We're talking about following commandments. Jesus is the same God as the Old Testament, no? That isn't even the point. The point is the definition. If you believe in Jesus Christ, you're a Christian.
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Jesus is not God...he is the son of God...and no, he did not give the same commandments to Christians that Jehovah God gave to the Israelites...he gave 2 commandments...does that sound to you like he is saying to kill anyone?

"He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”Matthew 22:37-39
 
Elvira said:
Jesus is not God...he is the son of God...and no, he did not give the same commandments to Christians that Jehovah God gave to the Israelites...he gave 2 commandments...does that sound to you like he is saying to kill anyone?

"He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”Matthew 22:37-39
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Interesting. You're one of those rare Christians who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.
 
AProudLefty said:
Interesting. You're one of those rare Christians who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.
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I believe what the Bible says he is...the son of God...
 
Elvira said:
I believe what the Bible says he is...the son of God...
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Ok. Still doesn't change the fact that if one believes that Jesus Christ is God or son of God, by definition you're a Christian.
 
AProudLefty said:
Ok. Still doesn't change the fact that if one believes that Jesus Christ is God or son of God, by definition you're a Christian.
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It most certainly does...belief takes action, not just lip-service...one who does not act on what they say they believe, Jesus called a hypocrite...

"he need not honor his father at all.’ So you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: ‘This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” Matthew 15:6-9
 
kitsune said:
So it was because of Christianity that these women gave cover to a Jewish child? If it hadn't been for The Faith, they would have ratted her out in a heartbeat? And what about all the Christians who were not similarly protective of of Jews? Did The Faith, with its long history of antisemitism, influence them in a different direction? Or is Faith perhaps not that great a factor in all of this.
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Anti-semitism is deeply ingrained in European society, it’s not a Catholic trait. In fact the Vatican itself has typically always condemned acts of violence against the Jews.

I would argue faith played some role. Because the right wing dictatorship of Franco (who by all accounts was a devout Catholic) played an active role in getting Jews out of Europe, and this is despite the common perception in Europe at the time that Jews were the real influence behind communism which was the ideology Franco sought to eliminate in Spain. That’s just one example, but a fairly high profile one.

The Catholic Church never called for Jews to be eliminated, in fact they condemned it and worked against it as best they could considering the geopolitical situation they were in. And if anyone wants to argue they should’ve done more, well the freaking French surrendered long before they had to and often defend the decision by saying the Germans might’ve destroyed famous landmarks in Paris if they didn’t surrender.

Also Catholic majority Brazil entered the war on the Allied side and sent their young men to die against the Nazis, American Catholics disproportionately served in the war, many Irish Catholics crossed into Northern Ireland to join the fight. I don’t think you can argue that Catholicism was a major pro-German Force in the Second World War
 
AProudLefty said:
Protestants don't think Catholics and Mormons are Christian. Do you think they're right?
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Mormons are not Christian, I do not say this to insult them, but Christianity requires belief in certain doctrines, like the Trinitarian God being the biggest. I don’t think it’s fair to say Protestants don’t consider Catholics to be Christian either. Some fundementalist churches and ideologies say this, but I don’t think the majority of Protestants believe that. and we (I’m Catholic) consider Protestants to be Christian provided they confess baptism and the trinity
 
AProudLefty said:
Interesting. You're one of those rare Christians who doesn't believe that Jesus is God.
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She’s not a Christian. She’s a Jehovah’s Witness. Like with the Mormons, I do not say this to insult JWs or say they’re bad people, but if you reject Jesus as God you are not a Christian.
 
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