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Turning against Jesus

RAMOSS said:
That hateful little rhetoric has nothing to address eze, which shows Jude was wrong. Ezehas priority over Jude. Jude is just that New Testament crap.
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That's just more of your usual horse manure.
 
Logicman said:
Homosexual sin was ONE of the reasons for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

As for your claim that the issue was rape, not homosexual sin...

"The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old (Genesis 19)," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persuasive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies,[77] but her argument is weakened by Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.[78]"

First Stone Ministries: Oklahoma City, OK > Responding to Pro-Gay Theology, Part 3: Scriptural Arguments
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Gibberish
 
Logicman said:
Homosexual sin was ONE of the reasons for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

As for your claim that the issue was rape, not homosexual sin...

"The argument is partially true; the men of Sodom certainly were proposing rape. But for such an event to include "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old (Genesis 19)," homosexuality must have been commonly practiced. Mollenkott makes a persuasive case for the event being much like a prison rape, or the kind of assaults conquering armies would commit against vanquished enemies,[77] but her argument is weakened by Professor Thomas Schmidt's cited evidence in early literature connecting Sodom with more general homosexual practices:

The second-century BC Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs labels the Sodomites 'sexually promiscuous' (Testimony of Benjamin 9:1) and refers to 'Sodom, which departed from the order of nature' (Testament of Nephtali 3:4). From the same time period, Jubilees specifies that the Sodomites were 'polluting themselves and fornicating in their flesh' (16:5, compare 20:5-6). Both Philo and Josephus plainly name same-sex relations as the characteristic view of Sodom.[78]"

First Stone Ministries: Oklahoma City, OK > Responding to Pro-Gay Theology, Part 3: Scriptural Arguments
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Actually it including all the men when there were children in the town, most of those men were married, shows that these acts were being done to ensure they all proved their dominance over those men, not that they were all or any attracted to them.

The second part of your argument, where they claim the rape/dominance argument is weakened relies on opinion about the text, the same flawed opinion that prevails today, not any facts from Sodom itself. This is why most Jews do not consider Sodom a story condemning homosexuality, because their more detailed stories about actual Sodom life and their sins make no mention of homosexuality. It could also be that they understand what homosexuality is and what it isnt.

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roguenuke said:
Actually it including all the men when there were children in the town, most of those men were married, shows that these acts were being done to ensure they all proved their dominance over those men, not that they were all or any attracted to them.
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I don't recall the Genesis story as saying that most of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were married? And even if some were that doesn't mean they weren't also closet homosexuals.

roguenuke said:
The second part of your argument, where they claim the rape/dominance argument is weakened relies on opinion about the text, the same flawed opinion that prevails today, not any facts from Sodom itself. This is why most Jews do not consider Sodom a story condemning homosexuality, because their more detailed stories about actual Sodom life and their sins make no mention of homosexuality. It could also be that they understand what homosexuality is and what it isnt.

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Most Jews, in my experience, aren't up to date on the Bible and homosexual sin in history.

Sorry, I'll stick with the Biblical accounts that they were trying to engage in homosexual rape. Homosexual sin is clearly identified in the Torah and elsewhere in the Bible.
 
Logicman said:
I don't recall the Genesis story as saying that most of the men of Sodom and Gomorrah were married? And even if some were that doesn't mean they weren't also closet homosexuals.



Most Jews, in my experience, aren't up to date on the Bible and homosexual sin in history.

Sorry, I'll stick with the Biblical accounts that they were trying to engage in homosexual rape. Homosexual sin is clearly identified in the Torah and elsewhere in the Bible.
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That part of the Bible, the OT, comes from Judaism. It is a condensed book of Jewish stories. The NT is what is unique to Christianity.

That isn't how it works. Homosexuality isnt just something people are to exert dominance nor can such acts be said to be done only by homosexuals. That shows a huge misunderstanding of what sexuality actually is.

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