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    [W:493]I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Can somebody point me to the verse that says "Sell everything you have and give it to Caesar so he can keep most of it, use some to buy votes, and save just a little bit for the poor so he can tax it away later"?
    “It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass."

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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    Can somebody point me to the verse that says "Sell everything you have and give it to Caesar so he can keep most of it, use some to buy votes, and save just a little bit for the poor so he can tax it away later"?
    In my, admittedly anecdotal experience, people who try to use the New Testament to justify expansive welfare states haven't spent much time reading the parts of the New Testament that describe a wise Christian approach to that sort of thing.

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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Tithing is an Old Testament concept. The tithe was a requirement of the Law in which the Israelites were to give 10 percent of the crops they grew and the livestock they raised to the tabernacle/temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5). In fact, the Old Testament Law required multiple tithes—one for the Levites, one for the use of the temple and the feasts, and one for the poor of the land—which would have pushed the total to around 23.3 percent. Some understand the Old Testament tithe as a method of taxation to provide for the needs of the priests and Levites in the sacrificial system.
    What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Should a Christian tithe?


    Tithe or tax same thing when in a religion dominated society
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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In my, admittedly anecdotal experience, people who try to use the New Testament to justify expansive welfare states haven't spent much time reading the parts of the New Testament that describe a wise Christian approach to that sort of thing.
    Call it an oversimplification, but I have thought for years that if you just help the guy next to you things work out just fine. Example: I had a guy do some carpentry work for me when I sold my house. He refused to take my money. Later, I had a nearly new washer and dryer that I had to get rid of when I moved. He wanted it for his daughter. I refused to take his money. He insisted and I said "if you feel that strongly about it, put it in the collection plate". In those two transactions I won, he won, his daughter won, and the church won. How can you improve on that?
    “It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass."

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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Should a Christian tithe?


    Tithe or tax same thing when in a religion dominated society
    Old Testament. There is no limit to how much or how little you must give in the NT.
    “It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass."

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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Should a Christian tithe?


    Tithe or tax same thing when in a religion dominated society
    You left out the main part of the article...how tithing relates to Christians...it doesn't...

    After the death of Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law, the New Testament nowhere commands, or even recommends, that Christians submit to a legalistic tithe system. The New Testament nowhere designates a percentage of income a person should set aside, but only says gifts should be “in keeping with income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Some in the Christian church have taken the 10 percent figure from the Old Testament tithe and applied it as a “recommended minimum” for Christians in their giving.

    The New Testament talks about the importance and benefits of giving. We are to give as we are able. Sometimes that means giving more than 10 percent; sometimes that may mean giving less. It all depends on the ability of the Christian and the needs of the body of Christ. Every Christian should diligently pray and seek God’s wisdom in the matter of participating in tithing and/or how much to give (James 1:5). Above all, all tithes and offerings should be given with pure motives and an attitude of worship to God and service to the body of Christ. “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).
    What does the Bible say about Christian tithing? Should a Christian tithe?
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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    There are far too many churches in this country for there to be food scarcity or unsheltered families. In my limited experience, church tithing primarily pays for the operation of the church.
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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Quote Originally Posted by Incredulous View Post
    There are far too many churches in this country for there to be food scarcity or unsheltered families. In my limited experience, church tithing primarily pays for the operation of the church.
    And to pay settlements for child abuse. But I suppose we can consider that an operational cost.
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    Re: I had yet another person tell me that Jesus was a socialist

    Quote Originally Posted by Incredulous View Post
    There are far too many churches in this country for there to be food scarcity or unsheltered families. In my limited experience, church tithing primarily pays for the operation of the church.
    The operative phrase being "limited experience".

    You know, I am always hearing people say things like "we need to go back to the first century church". Try it. My first mission was a home church, the original churches were home churches. What I found out was that regardless of what they say, people want a building that looks like a modern church building. They want the stained glass windows, heat, and air conditioning. They want a parking lot. Those things cost money.

    I don't care. I can celebrate on the hood of a car, outdoors, indoors, makes no difference to me. But if you want the creature comforts, somebody has to pay for them.
    “It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass."

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