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If God is perfect and he made Gays the way they are then?

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Who are we to say that gays are less than perfect in the eyes of God. People always point to the bible, but it is a book written by man and not even put together until well after the death of Christ. I find it interesting that the Churches say being gay is wrong and thus saying that God made a mistake when he made Gays. Of course many so called Christian churches today are no longer following Christian ideals, but only money.
 
independentusa said:
Who are we to say that gays are less than perfect in the eyes of God. People always point to the bible, but it is a book written by man and not even put together until well after the death of Christ. I find it interesting that the Churches say being gay is wrong and thus saying that God made a mistake when he made Gays. Of course many so called Christian churches today are no longer following Christian ideals, but only money.
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No church that says homosexuality is a sin is saying God made a mistake. They're saying that YOU choose to sin, not that God made you that way.
 
independentusa said:
Who are we to say that gays are less than perfect in the eyes of God. People always point to the bible, but it is a book written by man and not even put together until well after the death of Christ. I find it interesting that the Churches say being gay is wrong and thus saying that God made a mistake when he made Gays. Of course many so called Christian churches today are no longer following Christian ideals, but only money.
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Satan was also a perfect spirit being, so were his demons...Adam and Eve were perfect humans...your point?
 
Josie said:
No church that says homosexuality is a sin is saying God made a mistake. They're saying that YOU choose to sin, not that God made you that way.
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If men laying with other men is considered "sinning" than why would God make a man with those urges to do so? That is the point and those that have stated that are correct.

Think for a moment of when the bible was written and how the books were decided to go in there. Remember that there was a point when God was VERY vengeful in the bible and then became loving. If such a change were to happen again now, would YOU believe it? Of course not.

Chances are if another Jesus came to Earth, he would have already been locked up in a mental institution.
 
Praxas said:
If men laying with other men is considered "sinning" than why would God make a man with those urges to do so? That is the point and those that have stated that are correct.
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As the story goes, everyone has an urge to sin since the fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. God didn't make humans imperfect, Adam and Eve chose it for all mankind. I'm ignoring the rest of your post since it has nothing to do with the topic.
 
Praxas said:
Chances are if another Jesus came to Earth, he would have already been locked up in a mental institution.
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The Bible says Jesus will return, and at that time the stiff-necked Christ deniers will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8, etc.).
 
Logicman said:
The Bible says Jesus will return, and at that time the stiff-necked Christ deniers will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8, etc.).
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Ah yes, the "god as a hitman" porn. Don't get too excited about all that holy carnage.:lamo
 
Logicman said:
The Bible says Jesus will return, and at that time the stiff-necked Christ deniers will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8, etc.).
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You do realize that the so called bible are just those books that followed the teachings that the people who put it together wanted. there are many other "books" that could have been added to the bible that weren't. And beyond that is that the bible books were written in many languages and were translated by humans to what we have today. My daughter took Greek in college and her professor laughed at the translations of the original Greek into Latin or English. So even the books that were accepted into the bible may be mistranslated.
 
Josie said:
As the story goes, everyone has an urge to sin since the fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. God didn't make humans imperfect, Adam and Eve chose it for all mankind. I'm ignoring the rest of your post since it has nothing to do with the topic.
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I have no urge to sin from homosexuality as I am 100% heterosexual. So, if God made me, why can't he make everyone without the urge to commit sin by homosexuality. See that is where Christian religions fall short.
 
Logicman said:
The Bible says Jesus will return, and at that time the stiff-necked Christ deniers will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8, etc.).
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Do you believe the bible to be 100% fact with absolutely NO false statements?
 
Praxas said:
I have no urge to sin from homosexuality as I am 100% heterosexual. So, if God made me, why can't he make everyone without the urge to commit sin by homosexuality. See that is where Christian religions fall short.
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As I said, God made mankind perfect. It was Adam and Eve who chose sin for us. We all have different ones and none are "ickier" than others.
 
independentusa said:
Who are we to say that gays are less than perfect in the eyes of God. People always point to the bible, but it is a book written by man and not even put together until well after the death of Christ. I find it interesting that the Churches say being gay is wrong and thus saying that God made a mistake when he made Gays. Of course many so called Christian churches today are no longer following Christian ideals, but only money.
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God also made Neanderthals but apparently that was a mistake, or at least a dead end.
 
Josie said:
As the story goes, everyone has an urge to sin since the fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. God didn't make humans imperfect, Adam and Eve chose it for all mankind. I'm ignoring the rest of your post since it has nothing to do with the topic.
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So, two mere mortals were able to override God's plan? The critter that designed and made the whole fricken universe was foiled in his great plan by 2 of his creations? When one has to defend their religion by making such a spectacularly crazy claim like that, maybe it's time to sit down and rethink the entire belief system.
 
Logicman said:
The Bible says Jesus will return, and at that time the stiff-necked Christ deniers will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 21:8, etc.).
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This will be interesting. I guess I'll be able to tell which religion is correct based on who my roomies are in Hell. If it's Muslims, I'll know you're right. If you and I should meet (and hey, maybe I could actually get an audience with a few popes), I'll know Mohamed was telling the truth.
 
Praxas said:
I have no urge to sin from homosexuality as I am 100% heterosexual. So, if God made me, why can't he make everyone without the urge to commit sin by homosexuality. See that is where Christian religions fall short.
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I don't think it works that way ... or we wouldn't have any murderers either.
 
Josie said:
As I said, God made mankind perfect. It was Adam and Eve who chose sin for us. We all have different ones and none are "ickier" than others.
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Your "logic" is one big solid fail. A perfect being would, by every definition I've ever heard of 'perfection', NEVER CHOOSE to sin. The making of that choice would shatter the concept of perfection. You may leave now. Go with Grace (but ONLY if Grace consents).
 
Josie said:
It was Adam and Eve who chose sin for us.
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Good to know that homo sapiens were without sin for those first few hundred thousand years.


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