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If God is perfect and he made Gays the way they are then?

Elvira said:
Not true...if you respect/fear your parents enough to listen to them, you can glean a lot of wisdom from them...could even spare you from making the same mistakes they did...even more so, listening to Jehovah God...
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No, I don't need to fear my parents to learn from them. Respect is sufficient, combined with love. Wisdom can come from any source in any direction. It can go from children to parents. Wisdom is not about avoiding mistakes, it is about a deeper understanding of what those mistakes mean.
 
devildavid said:
Children can be confident. Parents can't give them confidence, they can support them in an attempt to help them grow into confidence. But confidence must be gained through experiencing life and developing it on their own. Letting go of the bike is letting the child develop confidence through their own effort. This is how children become adults and gain confidence, independence, and the ability to think for themselves and be their own person, even if it means they do not follow the same path as their parents.
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Well, exactly my point...children gain confidence as they grow and their parents are a large part of whether they gain confidence or not...they do not have any to begin with...
 
devildavid said:
No, I don't need to fear my parents to learn from them. Respect is sufficient, combined with love. Wisdom can come from any source in any direction. It can go from children to parents. Wisdom is not about avoiding mistakes, it is about a deeper understanding of what those mistakes mean.
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Then you do not understand reverential/proper fear...I did something in my youth which hurt my parents deeply...it crushed me to the core that I hurt them so badly and I was so sorry for what I did...that is what reverential/proper fear is...the type I have for Jehovah God...
 
independentusa said:
Who are we to say that gays are less than perfect in the eyes of God. People always point to the bible, but it is a book written by man and not even put together until well after the death of Christ. I find it interesting that the Churches say being gay is wrong and thus saying that God made a mistake when he made Gays. Of course many so called Christian churches today are no longer following Christian ideals, but only money.
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Churches are spot on. People choose to be gay just to irritate but what are ya going to do ?
So far my nephews haven't discuss this topic with my brother but I suggest him to get ready to head them off at the pass.
 
PTF said:
Churches are spot on. People choose to be gay just to irritate but what are ya going to do ?
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Yeah, they've chosen for millennia to place their lives in peril, all so they can obtain a few s**ts and giggles.


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PTF said:
So far my nephews haven't discuss this topic with my brother but I suggest him to get ready to head them off at the pass.
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Southern, huh?
 
Elvira said:
Well, exactly my point...children gain confidence as they grow and their parents are a large part of whether they gain confidence or not...they do not have any to begin with...
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Good post !

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if you respect/fear your parents enough to listen to them, you can glean a lot of wisdom from them...could even spare you from making the same mistakes they did...even more so, listening to Jehovah God...
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A powerful response and right on the money. Our parents will not steer you in the wrong direction. All these kids need is to put down the tablets and iPhones for a second and listen.
 
PTF said:
Good post !

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A powerful response and right on the money. Our parents will not steer you in the wrong direction. All these kids need is to put down the tablets and iPhones for a second and listen.
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There are bad parents as well as good ones and all kinds in between. We should all do what we think is best, and not follow anyone or anything. Parents aren't always right just because they are parents.
 
PTF said:
Churches are spot on. People choose to be gay just to irritate but what are ya going to do ?
So far my nephews haven't discuss this topic with my brother but I suggest him to get ready to head them off at the pass.
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When did you choose your sexuality?
 
Elvira said:
Then you do not understand reverential/proper fear...I did something in my youth which hurt my parents deeply...it crushed me to the core that I hurt them so badly and I was so sorry for what I did...that is what reverential/proper fear is...the type I have for Jehovah God...
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And sometimes we hurt our parents even though we have done nothing wrong. We can't live our lives worrying about whether or not our parents approve of everything that we do. Parents can be wrong about things and feel hurt for selfish reasons.
 
Elvira said:
Well, exactly my point...children gain confidence as they grow and their parents are a large part of whether they gain confidence or not...they do not have any to begin with...
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We don't get confidence from anyone. We all have within us various levels of confidence from the beginning. Parents are capable of both boosting and undermining confidence, just as anyone can in a close relationship.
 
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