It's not wrong to tell people they're wrong

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

"But He had a reason for saying and doing the things that He did to these people—even if they weren’t very “nice”—and His reason was that Jesus was concerned first and foremost with the salvation of souls rather than with people’s “feelings.” He realized that sometimes, just sometimes, people have to be given a little bit of a jolt, or a shock, in order to plant a seed with them or to move them in a direction they need to go. A shock to the system to get them to come out of their stupor or to get the scales to fall from their eyes. Or to maybe get them to make a decision “fer or agin,” as some would say here in the South."

It's Not Wrong to Tell Wrong People That They're Wrong

Frigidweirdo · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
"But He had a reason for saying and doing the things that He did to these people—even if they weren’t very “nice”—and His reason was that Jesus was concerned first and foremost with the salvation of souls rather than with people’s “feelings.” He realized that sometimes, just sometimes, people have to be given a little bit of a jolt, or a shock, in order to plant a seed with them or to move them in a direction they need to go. A shock to the system to get them to come out of their stupor or to get the scales to fall from their eyes. Or to maybe get them to make a decision “fer or agin,” as some would say here in the South."

It's Not Wrong to Tell Wrong People That They're Wrong

Well, not, it's not. But sometimes it's wrong to tell people they're wrong when they might not be wrong, and you don't have anything concrete to back up your view with.

Mycroft · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
"But He had a reason for saying and doing the things that He did to these people—even if they weren’t very “nice”—and His reason was that Jesus was concerned first and foremost with the salvation of souls rather than with people’s “feelings.” He realized that sometimes, just sometimes, people have to be given a little bit of a jolt, or a shock, in order to plant a seed with them or to move them in a direction they need to go. A shock to the system to get them to come out of their stupor or to get the scales to fall from their eyes. Or to maybe get them to make a decision “fer or agin,” as some would say here in the South."

It's Not Wrong to Tell Wrong People That They're Wrong

Unless you are talking to a "diversity-loving", "non-violent" SJW.

If you are telling one of those people that they are wrong, then you deserve them whopping you upside the head with a bicycle lock because you are obviously a Nazi.

CMPancake · Jun 23, 2019

Mycroft said:
Unless you are talking to a "diversity-loving", "non-violent" SJW.

If you are telling one of those people that they are wrong, then you deserve them whopping you upside the head with a bicycle lock because you are obviously a Nazi.

I have zero sympathy for Nazis or people who befriend Nazis. We need to Make America Great Again by picking up the tradition of our ancestors ideals of punching Nazis and punching people who protect Nazis.

Mycroft · Jun 23, 2019

CMPancake said:
I have zero sympathy for Nazis or people who befriend Nazis. We need to Make America Great Again by picking up the tradition of our ancestors ideals of punching Nazis and punching people who protect Nazis.

Punching people who exert their Constitutional right to free speech is NOT what made America great. That only drags America down.

But what do you care? You are a socialist. "Government control by the people with the most power" is your mantra, right?

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

Frigidweirdo said:
Well, not, it's not. But sometimes it's wrong to tell people they're wrong when they might not be wrong, and you don't have anything concrete to back up your view with.

If I tell people they are wrong it's because I know they are wrong, concrete or no concrete. Them not being convinced by my explanation doesn't make them any more correct. We are in a day and age where people will argue with you just for the sake of argument, they don't care if they are right or not, they just want to win the argument.

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

Mycroft said:
Unless you are talking to a "diversity-loving", "non-violent" SJW.

If you are telling one of those people that they are wrong, then you deserve them whopping you upside the head with a bicycle lock because you are obviously a Nazi.

Anybody who takes a swing at me with a bike lock gets a shot to the ballocks with a shillelagh. But that's beside the point. The point of the article was that if someone tries to tell you that Jesus was okay with any number of sins that those people think are okay, then they would be wrong.

Frigidweirdo · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
If I tell people they are wrong it's because I know they are wrong, concrete or no concrete. Them not being convinced by my explanation doesn't make them any more correct. We are in a day and age where people will argue with you just for the sake of argument, they don't care if they are right or not, they just want to win the argument.

Do you know how many people I've spoken to on forums like this that "absolutely know" things that simply aren't true? It's like in the hundreds of billions of people. And I know it's hundreds of billions of people as a fact and if you try and change my mind, I will insult you. Or something like this.

The simple fact is, if you can even go half way to proving your point with evidence, you're more likely to learn things yourself.

Those people who "know" they're right all the time, without ever doing the slightest bit of research, are almost always WRONG.

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

Frigidweirdo said:
Do you know how many people I've spoken to on forums like this that "absolutely know" things that simply aren't true? It's like in the hundreds of billions of people. And I know it's hundreds of billions of people as a fact and if you try and change my mind, I will insult you. Or something like this.

The simple fact is, if you can even go half way to proving your point with evidence, you're more likely to learn things yourself.

Those people who "know" they're right all the time, without ever doing the slightest bit of research, are almost always WRONG.

I also know that there are people in the world who, if you stick the stone cold truth right in their face they will never recant. If I recognize such people early enough I won't waste my time trying to "prove" anything to them.

Did you read the whole article? That will give you the context.

zyzygy · Jun 23, 2019

There is a problem here. It's just me is never right.

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

zyzygy said:
There is a problem here. It's just me is never right.

And with that, the poster child for thinking he's always right weighs in.

Quag · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
"But He had a reason for saying and doing the things that He did to these people—even if they weren’t very “nice”—and His reason was that Jesus was concerned first and foremost with the salvation of souls rather than with people’s “feelings.” He realized that sometimes, just sometimes, people have to be given a little bit of a jolt, or a shock, in order to plant a seed with them or to move them in a direction they need to go. A shock to the system to get them to come out of their stupor or to get the scales to fall from their eyes. Or to maybe get them to make a decision “fer or agin,” as some would say here in the South."

It's Not Wrong to Tell Wrong People That They're Wrong

Its religion if you "know" you are right then you are definitely wrong but you can believe that you are right. Just dont think anyone must believe your beliefs.
That's is WRONG

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

Quag said:
Its religion if you "know" you are right then you are definitely wrong but you can believe that you are right. Just dont think anyone must believe your beliefs.
That's is WRONG

What a bunch of gibberish. I'd ask you to prove this ^ nonsense but I know you won't. If you are going to post in this thread at least read the article so you know what the context is.

Dragonfly · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
"But He had a reason for saying and doing the things that He did to these people—even if they weren’t very “nice”—and His reason was that Jesus was concerned first and foremost with the salvation of souls rather than with people’s “feelings.” He realized that sometimes, just sometimes, people have to be given a little bit of a jolt, or a shock, in order to plant a seed with them or to move them in a direction they need to go. A shock to the system to get them to come out of their stupor or to get the scales to fall from their eyes. Or to maybe get them to make a decision “fer or agin,” as some would say here in the South."

It's Not Wrong to Tell Wrong People That They're Wrong

So your entire OP is a quote, and a link to the "National Catholic Register".
Nothing else.

How about you provide some context and perhaps something of your own position and your own thinking to generate some discussion?

Otherwise it's clear that the article isn't even worth really reading. It's religious tripe with little value to anyone.

In essence I could simply say everything about it is "wrong" and I'd be correct based on the title of this thread.

Is the premise of the article that telling somebody who believes differently than you do that they are wrong is the right thing to do? Because the thing your trying to do by telling them they're wrong is potentially soul saving?

And this is coming from a catholic source?

At this point in history, there's extreme justification for condemning the vast majority of everything catholic.
They've got no platform to preach from.
They've got no soapbox to stand on.
To suggest anyone should listen to, or pay any attention to anything "catholic" is pathetic.

Please provide something of your own on this subject. Your words. Your thoughts. Your opinion on what's trying to be conveyed.

Tell us what "it's just me" thinks about the article in the OP.

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

Dragonfly said:
So your entire OP is a quote, and a link to the "National Catholic Register".
Nothing else.

How about you provide some context and perhaps something of your own position and your own thinking to generate some discussion?

Otherwise it's clear that the article isn't even worth really reading. It's religious tripe with little value to anyone.

In essence I could simply say everything about it is "wrong" and I'd be correct based on the title of this thread.

Is the premise of the article that telling somebody who believes differently than you do that they are wrong is the right thing to do? Because the thing your trying to do by telling them they're wrong is potentially soul saving?

And this is coming from a catholic source?

At this point in history, there's extreme justification for condemning the vast majority of everything catholic.
They've got no platform to preach from.
They've got no soapbox to stand on.
To suggest anyone should listen to, or pay any attention to anything "catholic" is pathetic.

To provide something of your own on this subject. Your words. Your thoughts. Your opinion on what's trying to be conveyed.

Tell us what "it's just me" thinks about the article in the OP.

Thank you for demonstrating what being wrong looks like.

At this point in history, there's extreme justification for condemning the vast majority of everything catholic.

Really? Tell me about it, that is if you know what "it" is other than blind bigotry. I'm going to brush aside your claims about the RCC not having a platform to preach from, because they are such ludicrous claims they don't deserve repeating. The rest of this is just trolling and word salad.

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

Dragonfly said:
So your entire OP is a quote, and a link to the "National Catholic Register".
Nothing else.

How about you provide some context and perhaps something of your own position and your own thinking to generate some discussion?

Otherwise it's clear that the article isn't even worth really reading. It's religious tripe with little value to anyone.

In essence I could simply say everything about it is "wrong" and I'd be correct based on the title of this thread.

Is the premise of the article that telling somebody who believes differently than you do that they are wrong is the right thing to do? Because the thing your trying to do by telling them they're wrong is potentially soul saving?

And this is coming from a catholic source?

At this point in history, there's extreme justification for condemning the vast majority of everything catholic.
They've got no platform to preach from.
They've got no soapbox to stand on.
To suggest anyone should listen to, or pay any attention to anything "catholic" is pathetic.

Please provide something of your own on this subject. Your words. Your thoughts. Your opinion on what's trying to be conveyed.

Tell us what "it's just me" thinks about the article in the OP.

BTW, love your signature line. I'll explain it so even you can understand it: if I teach what Christianity has always taught, I am speaking for all of Christianity, despite your claims that there is more than one Christianity, because there isn't.

Quag · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
What a bunch of gibberish. I'd ask you to prove this ^ nonsense but I know you won't. If you are going to post in this thread at least read the article so you know what the context is.

You are wrong, this thread is gibberish

Quag · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
BTW, love your signature line. I'll explain it so even you can understand it: if I teach what Christianity has always taught, I am speaking for all of Christianity, despite your claims that there is more than one Christianity, because there isn't.

You know nothing about God.

devildavid · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
BTW, love your signature line. I'll explain it so even you can understand it: if I teach what Christianity has always taught, I am speaking for all of Christianity, despite your claims that there is more than one Christianity, because there isn't.

You don't have any evidence of what christianity has "always" taught. Therefore, you have no basis to claim that you speak for all of christianity. So you are wrong when you make that statement.

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

devildavid said:
You don't have any evidence of what christianity has "always" taught. Therefore, you have no basis to claim that you speak for all of christianity. So you are wrong when you make that statement.

Dude, what Christianity has always taught is a matter of record. I am not going to entertain this kind of ignorance.

Daisy · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
BTW, love your signature line. I'll explain it so even you can understand it: if I teach what Christianity has always taught, I am speaking for all of Christianity, despite your claims that there is more than one Christianity, because there isn't.

That's a big if there, bud...to teach what Christianity has always taught, you would have to go back to Jesus and his 1st apostles, which you don't do, btw...you take man's word, written some 300 years after the fact, in some false creed, for truth...far from what Jesus or his apostles taught...

CMPancake · Jun 23, 2019

Mycroft said:
Punching people who exert their Constitutional right to free speech is NOT what made America great. That only drags America down.

But what do you care? You are a socialist. "Government control by the people with the most power" is your mantra, right?

Nah, the last time the world let Nazis have a peaceful assembly, they exploited it to commit wholesale genocide. The ideology and followers of that ideology discarded their rights to be taken seriously and not be smacked in the jaw.

And you don't know the first thing about socialism, but that's okay because no one is expecting an Obama birther to know much about anything these days.

Simon W. Moon · Jun 23, 2019

it's just me said:
"But He had a reason for saying and doing the things that He did to these people—even if they weren’t very “nice”—and His reason was that Jesus was concerned first and foremost with the salvation of souls rather than with people’s “feelings.” He realized that sometimes, just sometimes, people have to be given a little bit of a jolt, or a shock, in order to plant a seed with them or to move them in a direction they need to go. A shock to the system to get them to come out of their stupor or to get the scales to fall from their eyes. Or to maybe get them to make a decision “fer or agin,” as some would say here in the South."
It's Not Wrong to Tell Wrong People That They're Wrong

We don't get to act with the same divine authority Jesus had.
Unlike Jesus, we're burdened with the knowledge that we're imperfect and make ,istakes.

We have our commandment. It's pretty simple and straight forward.
Acting out of love requires we consider our own limitations and plan accordingly.
Iirc, it's plainly stated that we're not fit to judge (nor are we commanded to do so).

So, yeah, feel free to tell people you think they're making a mistake. That's something you would do for someone you love.

But leave coercion and force out of it.
We lack the infallibility and authority to be like that.

it's just me · Jun 23, 2019

Elvira said:
That's a big if there, bud...to teach what Christianity has always taught, you would have to go back to Jesus and his 1st apostles, which you don't do, btw...you take man's word, written some 300 years after the fact, in some false creed, for truth...far from what Jesus or his apostles taught...

No "if" to it, I do go back to Jesus and the apostles. You're the one who doesn't. You take one man's word, starting in the 1870's, which is a far cry from Jesus and the Apostles, and even from 325 AD. You have no knowledge of historical writings and your cult won't let you read them anyway because you might find out that they are lying to you. You talk to be about "man's word" and you only take ONE man's word, not the Church fathers, not anybody who was there, you trust in your prophet, CT Russell, and the "Governing elders" in New York.

What a scam.

Simon W. Moon · Jun 23, 2019

Mycroft said:
Unless you are talking to a "diversity-loving", "non-violent" SJW.
If you are telling one of those people that they are wrong, then you deserve them whopping you upside the head with a bicycle lock because you are obviously a Nazi.

That's a lot of salt you've got there in that post.

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