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The Morality Of The Christian God Of The Bible

Omega Man said:
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?"
-Psalm 22:1

"They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."
-Psalm 22:18


OM
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What about this part:
Luke 23:46: Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.
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Who's "father" in that line????
 
Dragonfly said:
Uhhh.....WHAT????

Do you not understand how insane that sounds?

The god that created everything, EVERYTHING, needs help from people???? :lamo
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Needs help? No, but He is merciful enough to allow other humans, who have experienced the same emotions/problems that we have, to govern us...
 
Elvira said:
Needs help? No, but He is merciful enough to allow other humans, who have experienced the same emotions/problems that we have, to govern us...
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No no. That's not what you said.

Here's the line:

Elvira said:
it takes a body of people to run it,
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Did you mis-speak?

And why oh why would god need/want/have a "government"?

That's silly.
 
Elvira said:
Only when a comment is too ridiculous for words...lol...arguing accomplishes nothing...
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Your whole belief system is too ridiculous for words, and you can't make sense of it. Lol.
 
Dragonfly said:
No no. That's not what you said.

Here's the line:



Did you mis-speak?

And why oh why would god need/want/have a "government"?

That's silly.
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Nope, I was comparing, to give you an idea of what God's government will be like...ask Him...
 
Dragonfly said:
What about this part:


Who's "father" in that line????
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That's loosely borrowing a line from Psalm 31:15

"My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me."


OM
 
Elvira said:
Nope, I was comparing, to give you an idea of what God's government will be like...ask Him...
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Nice try at deflection, or simply just a cop-out.

You didn't compare anything.

You did contradict yourself a bit though.
 
Omega Man said:
That's loosely borrowing a line from Psalm 31:15

"My times are in thy hand: deliver me from the hand of mine enemies, and from them that persecute me."


OM
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Loosely??? :lamo


I hope you're not holding your pants up with that kind of loose.
 
Dragonfly said:
Nice try at deflection, or simply just a cop-out.

You didn't compare anything.

You did contradict yourself a bit though.
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No, I did not...think about it...why do we have senators? To speak for the people, right?
 
Dragonfly said:
Loosely??? :lamo


I hope you're not holding your pants up with that kind of loose.
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Yes, it is borrowed DIRECTLY from that Psalm, and applied "loosely" to the Luke story. You weren't aware of that?


OM
 
Elvira said:
No, I did not...think about it...why do we have senators? To speak for the people, right?
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When you first heard about the concept of god/jehovah having/needing a "government", did you think to yourself that it sounded rather odd?
Or did you just accept that what you were being told was perfectly reasonable, and that there was no reason to question it?
 
Omega Man said:
Yes, it is borrowed DIRECTLY from that Psalm, and applied "loosely" to the Luke story. You weren't aware of that?


OM
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So in a sense, multiple "accounts" of the last words of Christ all have a strong element of plagiarism intertwined within them?
 
Dragonfly said:
When you first heard about the concept of god/jehovah having/needing a "government", did you think to yourself that it sounded rather odd?
Or did you just accept that what you were being told was perfectly reasonable, and that there was no reason to question it?
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Perfectly reasonable because the scriptures point to that government...God's kingdom is the whole theme of the Bible...the only true hope for mankind...


“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever," Daniel 2:44

Jesus told his followers to pray for that government to come to the earth...

"Let your Kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also on earth." Matthew 6:10

That is the good news we are told to preach...

"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Matthew 24:14
 
Dragonfly said:
So in a sense, multiple "accounts" of the last words of Christ all have a strong element of plagiarism intertwined within them?
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Absolutely; but not so much the "words of Christ", as the words of the messianic authors who placed those words into his mouth.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Absolutely; but not so much the "words of Christ", as the words of the messianic authors who placed those words into his mouth.


OM
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To be fair, I did say "accounts" in quotes for a reason. :mrgreen:
 
Elvira said:
Perfectly reasonable because the scriptures point to that government...God's kingdom is the whole theme of the Bible...the only true hope for mankind...
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You should really question the things you're told. Even if it's just a little bit.
Swallowing everything hook, line, and sinker is never a good idea.

All things in moderation has merit.
Even when it comes to "belief".
 
it's just me said:
Yes, I know, that great Christian scholar, Ramoss, who holds forth in a dusty corner of the internet. You told me how great you were when we first met. I am unconvinced.
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Of course you aren't. However, you have, in this very thread, have shown a lack of reading comprehension, so that doesn't bother me at all. I will continue to point out where you are either wrong, or can not show where you are right.

If you can actually support your claim beside 'argument from assertion', ad hominin, biased and bad source, and can show that I am wrong, feel free.
 
Dragonfly said:
You should really question the things you're told. Even if it's just a little bit.
Swallowing everything hook, line, and sinker is never a good idea.

All things in moderation has merit.
Even when it comes to "belief".
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I haven't...my beliefs/faith have grown stronger throughout the years, with much study, meditation, and prayer...
 
Elvira said:
I haven't...my beliefs/faith have grown stronger throughout the years, with much study, meditation, and prayer...
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Your words here don't reflect that.

I'll give you a chance to explain.

Please tell me a few instances of the JW teachings that you questioned when you first heard about them.
What were you skeptical of?
 
Dragonfly said:
Your words here don't reflect that.

I'll give you a chance to explain.

Please tell me a few instances of the JW teachings that you questioned when you first heard about them.
What were you skeptical of?
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Plenty...no trinity, no hellfire, no immortal soul, everybody goes to heaven...I had been taught all those things in church...I also saw contradictions with those teachings, but when i questioned them, i was told some things are a mystery and we should not question God...
 
Elvira said:
I haven't...my beliefs/faith have grown stronger throughout the years, with much study, meditation, and prayer...
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Good morning Elvira. I am curious about your particular practice of meditation. Does the practice involve clearing your mind completely, or concentrating solely on something particular?


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Good morning Elvira. I am curious about your particular practice of meditation. Does the practice involve clearing your mind completely, or concentrating solely on something particular?


OM
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Hi OM, for me, meditation involves concentrating on what I've read and how I can apply what I've read to my own life...how it affects me personally, and what wisdom I can glean from it, as well as the principles involved...
 
Elvira said:
Hi OM, for me, meditation involves concentrating on what I've read and how I can apply what I've read to my own life...how it affects me personally, and what wisdom I can glean from it, as well as the principles involved...
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Thank you. I believe that is referred to as focused meditation.


OM
 
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