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The Morality Of The Christian God Of The Bible

Omega Man said:
I never said any such thing. You must have me confused with somebody else again.


OM
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What is He 'confirming' then? You brought up the biases, not me.
 
Lursa said:
What is He 'confirming' then? You brought up the biases, not me.
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I brought up biases only because you asked the question how God serves us. Since I don't know for certain what God is - IF God is - then that tells me God exists to us individually to confirm our biases.


OM
 
Dragonfly said:
More avoidance.

Why do you frequently and consistently respond to posts/threads if you deem them to be troll-threads?
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Mainly to inform. What is it about people who have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about that makes them want to pontificate on the internet? I was reading some buffoon on this site the other day talking about heel spurs. I've had heel spurs, he didn't know what he was talking about. 90% of the people who want to talk about Christianity here don't have the faintest idea of what they are talking about. But, if you try to straighten them out they get all huffy, it's as if they want to look as ignorant as they can.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Morality is how we decide something is right or wrong most people believe God is perfect unable to do wrong so what use does he have for morality?
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Wouldn't a perfect god, be perfect morally as well?

Can one be perfect, AND immoral?
 
Omega Man said:
I brought up biases only because you asked the question how God serves us. Since I don't know for certain what God is - IF God is - then that tells me God exists to us individually to confirm our biases.


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Sorry, that is just meaningless to me. I dont get it. Where did those biases come from?

And what if His Word doesnt confirm your biases? Who's right then? You or God?
 
Omega Man said:
The legend of Elijah too was based upon an actual prophet, but whose oral tales became the stuff of myths and legends akin to an archetypal “thunder god”. Not exactly unheard of for tales with origins in ancient Canaan.

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Scribes stood in a circle and repeated each letter as they made copies to be handed down.

You're saying the whole Bible is fake.

I can't go with that timeline, but if you like your Icons that way, OK, we can agree to disagree.

Those timelines are fabricated in reaction to the Scriptures and it's fake beginning.

I think I've made my case already.

Thank you for the nice discussion.
 
it's just me said:
Mainly to inform.
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That's a complete load of feces.

You don't inform at all.
You won't answer simple questions.
You avoid being honest.
You're responses are often meaningless drivel loaded with self-righteous accusations.

You have hardly ever once attempted to inform anyone here about anything.

You're often times a shining example of why many flee organized religion.
 
Lursa said:
Sorry, that is just meaningless to me. I dont get it. Where did those biases come from?

And what if His Word doesnt confirm your biases? Who's right then? You or God?
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For thousands of years men have claimed to speak for God, and have handed down these teachings to willing believers, who in turn can think of no other ways of thinking. When believers "study" the Bible, what they are really doing is fortifying their preconceptions; everything they've been taught their whole lives to accept without question. So yes, without understanding what God truly is (if it is), then God simply serves to confirm the individuals bias. I really don't how much clearer I can articulate this point.


OM
 
Dragonfly said:
What???

It's completely and entirely possible we exist without a god.

It's probable on many levels that we exist without "the god of the bible".
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I was speaking to a Christian.

If God stops thinking about you you cease to exist so then you wouldn't exist without Him.

That doesn't mean an atheist doesn't require a certain arrangement of icons.
 
Exquisitor said:
Scribes stood in a circle and repeated each letter as they made copies to be handed down.

You're saying the whole Bible is fake.

I can't go with that timeline, but if you like your Icons that way, OK, we can agree to disagree.

Those timelines are fabricated in reaction to the Scriptures and it's fake beginning.

I think I've made my case already.

Thank you for the nice discussion.
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I wouldn't call the Bible "fake", so much as it is a product of its era and culture. A captive culture attempting to formulate a national religious identity, and also retain its unique cultural identity in the face of possible assimilation; and who possessed a distinctly beautiful writing style abundant in symbolism and metaphor.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
For thousands of years men have claimed to speak for God, and have handed down these teachings to willing believers, who in turn can think of no other ways of thinking. When believers "study" the Bible, what they are really doing is fortifying their preconceptions; everything they've been taught their whole lives to accept without question. So yes, without understanding what God truly is (if it is), then God simply serves to confirm the individuals bias. I really don't how much clearer I can articulate this point.


OM
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So you are saying that the Word that He sent you in order to serve Him is used to continue to understand and serve Him. It is actually you going back and finding ways for His Word to support what He says when you come across confliciting things 'in real life.'

That's not Him serving you. You studying His Word and conforming to it is not Him serving you.
 
Dragonfly said:
That's a complete load of feces.

You don't inform at all.
You won't answer simple questions.
You avoid being honest.
You're responses are often meaningless drivel loaded with self-righteous accusations.

You have hardly ever once attempted to inform anyone here about anything.

You're often times a shining example of why many flee organized religion.
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I don't answer stupid questions loaded with an agenda, and how dare you of all people call me dishonest? I can explain this stuff to you but I can't understand it for you, and the reason people flee organized religion is because they want to be in charge and the Church won't let them.Church history is full of people who didn't want to hear what the other guy had to say so they took their football and went home, and I'd just as soon they stayed away. Malcontents like that ruin everything, I've seen it a hundred times.
 
Lursa said:
So you are saying that the Word that He sent you in order to serve Him is used to continue to understand and serve Him.
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No, that is not what I said. Not even close. What I did say is that men have made those claims as to the nature of God, have passed those down for thousands of years to the point it is now engrained in believer’s minds. Therefore believers already have a lifetime of preconceptions drilled into their minds as to the nature of God. This means that in the face of actually knowing for certain what God is (which nobody does), God serves to confirm believers biases. I’m a tad uncertain how after completely explaining this, that you continue to hear something else?

Lursa said:
It is actually you going back and finding ways for His Word to support what He says when you come across confliciting things 'in real life.'

That's not Him serving you. You studying His Word and conforming to it is not Him serving you.
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I’m not sure what you’re even trying to say here, seeing as I don’t even know what God is to begin with.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
No, that is not what I said. Not even close. What I did say is that men have made those claims as to the nature of God, have passed those down for thousands of years to the point it is now engrained in believer’s minds. Therefore believers already have a lifetime of preconceptions drilled into their minds as to the nature of God. This means that in the face of actually knowing for certain what God is (which nobody does), God serves to confirm believers biases. I’m a tad uncertain how after completely explaining this, that you continue to hear something else?



I’m not sure what you’re even trying to say here, seeing as I don’t even know what God is to begin with.


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OK never mind. Your last sentence indicates you are not really invested in the discussion...you are making stuff up as you go along. The Bible gives a very clear description of God. If you arent going with that, then never mind...I cant discuss something that is even more indefinable than an already mythical being.

God does not serve us. I explained it very clearly based on what you wrote. What you wrote is that 'you use' God to confirm things.
 
it's just me said:
Revelation chapter 5 - the lamb who was slain, the only one worthy to open the scroll. He stands in the center of the throne, not beneath God, not below God not inferior to God, but equal to God, being of one substance with the Father.

Chapter 7 is where the JWs got their lie about them being the 144000. Its actually the 12 tribes of Israel, not the guys who knock on your door on Saturday morning.
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That's all ya got, huh...lol

Revelation 5:6...no, that is not what it says, not even close...many scriptures written after Jesus ascending back to the heavens after his resurrection refer to him and Jehovah God, many time Jesus being on the right hand of God in heaven...Acts 7:55,56; Romans 8:34; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 10:2,12; 1 Peter 3:22 Revelation 7:9,10; Revelation 15:3,4; Revelation 21:22-27...

Chapter 7 has nothing whatsoever to with the false doctrine of the trinity but it proves you're grasping at straws...I'll indulge you just this once...

When Jesus was rejected by the fleshly nation of Israel, the old covenant was broken covenant and superseded by a new covenant made, not with the nation of natural Israel, but with the new nation of spiritual Israel...Hebrew 8:6-13; Galatians 6:6...

Starting on the day of Pentecost, God declared believing ones righteous and then adopted them as spiritual sons having the prospect of reigning with Christ in heaven....

“For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons...If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ.” Romans 8:15-17...

So on the day of Pentecost in the year 33 CE, the new nation of spiritual Israel came into existence...made up of humans whose sins had been forgiven on the basis of Christ’s sacrificial blood....Romans 5:1, 2; Ephesians 1:7...

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
 
RAMOSS said:
Yes, in the beginning.. However, that does not say 'created out of nothing'.

Let's look a little further

the
earth being unformed and void, with darkness over
the surface of the deep and a wind from b God sweeping
over the water3 God said, "Let there be light"; and there
was light.


So, if you read the entire sentance, you see that there already was the deep, and wind. That isn't 'from nothing'.
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Use your brain, Ramoss...God created ALL things, even matter...:2razz:...all those things came after Genesis 1:1, not before...:roll:
 
Elvira said:
That's all ya got, huh...lol

Revelation 5:6...no, that is not what it says, not even close...many scriptures written after Jesus ascending back to the heavens after his resurrection refer to him and Jehovah God, many time Jesus being on the right hand of God in heaven...Acts 7:55,56; Romans 8:34; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 10:2,12; 1 Peter 3:22 Revelation 7:9,10; Revelation 15:3,4; Revelation 21:22-27...

Chapter 7 has nothing whatsoever to with the false doctrine of the trinity but it proves you're grasping at straws...I'll indulge you just this once...

When Jesus was rejected by the fleshly nation of Israel, the old covenant was broken covenant and superseded by a new covenant made, not with the nation of natural Israel, but with the new nation of spiritual Israel...Hebrew 8:6-13; Galatians 6:6...

Starting on the day of Pentecost, God declared believing ones righteous and then adopted them as spiritual sons having the prospect of reigning with Christ in heaven....

“For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons...If, then, we are children, we are also heirs: heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ.” Romans 8:15-17...

So on the day of Pentecost in the year 33 CE, the new nation of spiritual Israel came into existence...made up of humans whose sins had been forgiven on the basis of Christ’s sacrificial blood....Romans 5:1, 2; Ephesians 1:7...

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in union with Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28
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That's all I need, so spare me the Gish Gallop of misquoted scripture. I believe it was CHAPTER FIVE of the book of Revelation that speaks of THE LAMB being on the throne, not below God, not inferior to God, but WORTHY. The rest of this gibberish of yours is off topic and useless.
 
Lursa said:
OK never mind. Your last sentence indicates you are not really invested in the discussion...you are making stuff up as you go along. The Bible gives a very clear description of God. If you arent going with that, then never mind...I cant discuss something that is even more indefinable than an already mythical being.

God does not serve us. I explained it very clearly based on what you wrote. What you wrote is that 'you use' God to confirm things.
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*sigh* Your "The Bible gives a very clear description of God" comment just corroborated precisely the point I've been making all along. Since nobody knows for certain what God is, your statement about God reflects your confirmation bias as to the nature of God. In other words, your preconception about God - thus God itself - serves you. It serves to confirm your biases. In disagreeing with that position, then citing scripture, you verified its validity.


OM
 
Elvira said:
Use your brain, Ramoss...God created ALL things, even matter...:2razz:...all those things came after Genesis 1:1, not before...:roll:
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Using “your brain” and attributions to gods are oxymoronic. Using brain is the opposite of saying “god did it.”
 
it's just me said:
That's all I need, so spare me the Gish Gallop of misquoted scripture. I believe it was CHAPTER FIVE of the book of Revelation that speaks of THE LAMB being on the throne, not below God, not inferior to God, but WORTHY. The rest of this gibberish of yours is off topic and useless.
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Yes, Jesus is in his kingdom, on his throne, only because Jehovah God placed him there to fulfill his Millennial rule...he is still in a position 2nd only to God...

"For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:9-11

After the 1,000 years is up, Jesus will hand the kingdom back over to Jehovah God...

"Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing." 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
 
it's just me said:
Revelation chapter 5 - the lamb who was slain, the only one worthy to open the scroll. He stands in the center of the throne, not beneath God, not below God not inferior to God, but equal to God, being of one substance with the Father.

Chapter 7 is where the JWs got their lie about them being the 144000. Its actually the 12 tribes of Israel, not the guys who knock on your door on Saturday morning.
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Ah yes, this is where the author (obviously well-versed in old Babylonian mysticism) borrows images from a combination of revered texts, and then further appeals to tradition by invoking a Passover metaphor. The book itself of course was a veiled reference (and not a very good one) to Rome under Domitian, with the outlandishly high hope that at some point the Parthian cavalry would descend upon the Romans and utterly destroy them. Unfortunately Rome endured; but fortunately for Christians, their fledgling ideology endured even further on account of the Romans. Bottom line is none of those things hoped for ever happened, but it certainly makes for a nice story.


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Omega Man said:
*sigh* Your "The Bible gives a very clear description of God" comment just corroborated precisely the point I've been making all along. Since nobody knows for certain what God is, your statement about God reflects your confirmation bias as to the nature of God. In other words, your preconception about God - thus God itself - serves you. It serves to confirm your biases. In disagreeing with that position, then citing scripture, you verified its validity.


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I dont need God to confirm anything. I've been trying to make that point. And you were unable to actually argue that what you refer to as "God serving man" is actually "man USING God."

Btw, my original question was, where did you read or hear that God served man? And you never gave that a direct answer. If you are not referring to the God of the Bible, then where did you find that information? And if it is from the Bible, where?
 
Lursa said:
I dont need God to confirm anything.
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Of course you don't, because it's you who do the confirming for God instead. That's kind of the whole point of what I've been saying; nobody knows for certain what God is, so God serves them so that they may speak as its proxy. It confirms their biases. On a related note, that's kind of an odd remark for a believer in the biblical God to make, seeing as the entire ideology is based upon "God-inspired" doctrines, covenants, and instructions.


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Omega Man said:
Of course you don't, because it's you who do the confirming for God instead. That's kind of the whole point of what I've been saying; nobody knows for certain what God is, so God serves them so that they may speak as its proxy. It confirms their biases. On a related note, that's kind of an odd remark for a believer in the biblical God to make, seeing as the entire ideology is based upon "God-inspired" doctrines, covenants, and instructions.


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You cannot prove that God is. Period. Yet you are basing all/almost all your claims on a mythical higher authority.

I confirm nothing, nor need God to confirm anything.

Now what about the rest of my post that you ignored:

And you were unable to actually argue that what you refer to as "God serving man" is actually "man USING God."

Btw, my original question was, where did you read or hear that God served man? And you never gave that a direct answer. If you are not referring to the God of the Bible, then where did you find that information? And if it is from the Bible, where?​
 
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